War Pass out with fracture

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

illinois derby gets an inflated beyer every year and then the winner takes up space in the churchill gate and somehow turns into a goat when it opens.

this horse isn't war emblem, he's cowtown cat.

Exactly.
DrugS posted this awhile ago, but I guess it needs to be reposted for some people here.


"The Ill Derby has a history of front end winners producing crazy fast figures.

* Last year, Cowtown Cat went wire-to-wire and was given just a 98 Beyer figure after running a time that suggested he ran significantly faster. BRIS didn't adjust there figure...and had him running faster than Holy Bull ever had on there numbers - he went on to finish 20th in the Derby while having the highest last out BRIS fig in the entire field.

* Two years ago, Sweetnorthersaint sat second less than a length off of pace setter Mr. Triester (who stayed on to finish 2nd) - he put him away, won by 9, got huge figures from all figure makers and was bet to Derby favortisim.

* Three years ago, Greeley's Galazy stalked the pace from up close and won with a 106 Beyer that might have been reduced a little if I recall. He never ran back to it.

* Four years ago, Pollards Vision went wire-to-wire and ran a 107 Beyer. He returned to run 17th beaten 40 lengths in the Derby."

[King Glorious]

I'm not sure why it's so easy for people to remember this about the Illinois Derby.

Anyway, I have read a few people saying that if anyone was Zito's position, they would have done exactly the same with War Pass that Zito did. I don't agree. I was of the belief that something was way wrong with War Pass after the Tampa race. I wouldn't have pressed on to the Wood after that. And even if for some reason I had, after the Wood, I was strong in my opinion that the Derby chase should have ended right there. Yet Zito was continuing on saying it was a day by day thing and that the Derby was still a consideration. I'm not saying Zito is wrong or that I'm right here because he knows the horse better than I do. But from all I was able to see, I think I would have taken a different approach.

Is it redboarding or 20/20 hindsight when you predict a horse will be done and he's done one race later than you predicted?

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not sure why it's so easy for people to remember this about the Illinois Derby.

I was of the belief that something was way wrong with War Pass after the Tampa race. I wouldn't have pressed on to the Wood after that.

So you know more than Zito about his own horses?

There was nothing wrong with him in the TB Derby. He just didn't handle the track and he couldn't get the lead.

The horse got hurt in the last 1/16th in the Wood. He ran a fine race in the Wood, it was just too far for him.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not sure why it's so easy for people to remember this about the Illinois Derby.

Anyway, I have read a few people saying that if anyone was Zito's position, they would have done exactly the same with War Pass that Zito did. I don't agree. I was of the belief that something was way wrong with War Pass after the Tampa race. I wouldn't have pressed on to the Wood after that. And even if for some reason I had, after the Wood, I was strong in my opinion that the Derby chase should have ended right there. Yet Zito was continuing on saying it was a day by day thing and that the Derby was still a consideration. I'm not saying Zito is wrong or that I'm right here because he knows the horse better than I do. But from all I was able to see, I think I would have taken a different approach.

Is it redboarding or 20/20 hindsight when you predict a horse will be done and he's done one race later than you predicted?

To answer your question Benevolus, read the highlighted part.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

To answer your question Benevolus, read the highlighted part.

I see your point but your use of the phrase "way wrong" made me think you were saying he had a broken ankle going into the Wood. Not sure there could be something way wrong with the horse that the trainer could have missed.

I like Zito though, so I am sure I am being a little picky. Cool Coal Man is my choice on derby day, so what do I know.

[sumitas]

War Pass is a miler and to extend him past that was asking for trouble imo.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by sumitas

War Pass is a miler and to extend him past that was asking for trouble imo.

I don't understand this. He won twice as a 2 yo going longer than a mile and won the 2 yo championship as a result.

What would you have done with him? How long is the Delta Jackpot race?

I'll miss him. He was very fast 2 yo who was going to be challenged as they all are to go 10F. But he really didn't get the chance. He was less than 100% for the Tampa race and who knows how fit he was for the Wood.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Exactly.
DrugS posted this awhile ago, but I guess it needs to be reposted for some people here.


"The Ill Derby has a history of front end winners producing crazy fast figures.

* Last year, Cowtown Cat went wire-to-wire and was given just a 98 Beyer figure after running a time that suggested he ran significantly faster. BRIS didn't adjust there figure...and had him running faster than Holy Bull ever had on there numbers - he went on to finish 20th in the Derby while having the highest last out BRIS fig in the entire field.

* Two years ago, Sweetnorthersaint sat second less than a length off of pace setter Mr. Triester (who stayed on to finish 2nd) - he put him away, won by 9, got huge figures from all figure makers and was bet to Derby favortisim.

* Three years ago, Greeley's Galazy stalked the pace from up close and won with a 106 Beyer that might have been reduced a little if I recall. He never ran back to it.

* Four years ago, Pollards Vision went wire-to-wire and ran a 107 Beyer. He returned to run 17th beaten 40 lengths in the Derby."

All of this is meaningless in a different year. This year the 3yr olds are a bunch of slow horses.

The fact those Illinois Derby winners couldn't get an early lead. There was speed in those races. This year there might not be anyone to go with the horse.

I know one Illinois Derby winner that everyone looked past and he ran 1-2-3 along with Proud Citizen and Perfect Drift all way around the track.