NYRA denies stalls, bars Matties

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Kasept

http://www.drf.com/news/article/93802.html

Acting on TRPB info of irregular betting patterns.. Involves his well known brothers that are prominent on the capping tourney circuit.

Didn't hear yesterday's show but did you address this on air? Again a subject that screams for Andy's thoughts I am sure he is at least familiar with why this was done.

[Unionavenue]

Isn't this typical of what the TRBP did to the seven riders that were suspended for "irregular betting patterns." It's been almost two years and no evidence has been produced but most of these riders still are prevented from plying their trade.

Don't know any of the facts here because the TRBP never presents any facts. The take punitive action, claim that they can't say anything because the matter is being investigated and the people involved have their careers ruined.

We all want a clean game but you have to wonder about the people that are in charge of monitoring the game. How is the Matteis family with a trainer and two brothers that bet a lot of money any different than Barry Schwartz who is partners with Ernie Dahlman who not only bets more money than Matteis but owns a big chunk of a rebate shope himself.

Just mention "New Yokr Billy" to the TRBP and they break out into a cold sweat.

[Danzig]

really a no win situation for the track. mention was made of the jocks who were refused entry to tracks, and then you have stall space denied due to possible problems. in all cases, attempts have been made to protect the betting public, but they're now 'wrong' for having done so-since there may not be enough evidence to convict in a court of law. however, the owners of these tracks have a right to deny service, or space, to whomever.
can't help but wonder how much outrage there would be had their been proof presented that there were shady activities, the track had an inkling, but did nothing due to lack of enough substantial evidence to make a case.

can't please all the people all of the time-so the tracks must do the best they can.

look at it this way, if you had an employee that you were 99.99% sure was stealing from you, but you didn't have enough to call the cops to arrest--would he still be working for you?

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Unionavenue

Isn't this typical of what the TRBP did to the seven riders that were suspended for "irregular betting patterns." It's been almost two years and no evidence has been produced but most of these riders still are prevented from plying their trade.

Don't know any of the facts here because the TRBP never presents any facts. The take punitive action, claim that they can't say anything because the matter is being investigated and the people involved have their careers ruined.

We all want a clean game but you have to wonder about the people that are in charge of monitoring the game. How is the Matteis family with a trainer and two brothers that bet a lot of money any different than Barry Schwartz who is partners with Ernie Dahlman who not only bets more money than Matteis but owns a big chunk of a rebate shope himself.

Just mention "New Yokr Billy" to the TRBP and they break out into a cold sweat.

You really don't see how this is different?

Eric

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm sure Billy will be excited to know he was mentioned here. It would, undoubtably, be the pinnacle of his existance.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm sure Billy will be excited to know he was mentioned here. It would, undoubtably, be the pinnacle of his existance.

Glad to see your heart is beating BTW......

How about telling us what this is all about from your perspective. You have always shown that you have quite a history book about New York Racing in your head. This place misses your contributions to issues that affect the game.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Didn't hear yesterday's show but did you address this on air? Again a subject that screams for Andy's thoughts I am sure he is at least familiar with why this was done.

Hadn't seen the Grenig piece until after we were off the air... Will touch on it tonight but likely not get into any guests until next week. Much tougher to react to this kind of thing when doing show on the road like this. I would only want reaction from parties directly involved or affected by this meaning Matties, Curtis Linnell or someone like him from TRPB, and NYRA.

While this particular situation seems at first glance, (and without complete details of the scenario involved), to be unfair to the Matties family, I also think it is a mistake to use the incident as an opportunity to roundly criticize the attempts of TRPB to police the game. Comments that say the game has a tarnished image and actions like this make it worse seem incongruent. Unless you want state/federal government interfearing in the management of the game even more, the work of TRPB and ARCI needs to be supported. The same people carrying on about 'past posting' would do well to more widely support the work of TRPB/ARCI. They're the ones working hardest to 'get it right'.

[sumitas]

I agree Kasept. Ethics, honesty, fairness to the fans and wagering public, humane treatment of the horse, respect for the employees, all these standards need our support.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Kasept

While this particular situation seems at first glance, (and without complete details of the scenario involved), to be unfair to the Matties family, I also think it is a mistake to use the incident as an opportunity to roundly criticize the attempts of TRPB to police the game. Comments that say the game has a tarnished image and actions like this make it worse seem incongruent. Unless you want state/federal government interfearing in the management of the game even more, the work of TRPB and ARCI needs to be supported. The same people carrying on about 'past posting' would do well to more widely support the work of TRPB/ARCI. They're the ones working hardest to 'get it right'.

Hear hear.. By the logic of some, it seems that, to avoid potential negative PR, they would prefer horseplayers quietly get screwed than have governing bodies make visible efforts to clean things up..

Originally Posted by Danzig

look at it this way, if you had an employee that you were 99.99% sure was stealing from you, but you didn't have enough to call the cops to arrest--would he still be working for you?

Yeah, that too.

Listen, I'm not saying we need to indict the Matties family based on this alone, and my comments from earlier were tongue-in-cheek, but I really hope that those of you opposing this action don't think that this came out of the blue. This is something that has been a long time coming in New York.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Hadn't seen the Grenig piece until after we were off the air... Will touch on it tonight but likely not get into any guests until next week. Much tougher to react to this kind of thing when doing show on the road like this. I would only want reaction from parties directly involved or affected by this meaning Matties, Curtis Linnell or someone like him from TRPB, and NYRA.

While this particular situation seems at first glance, (and without complete details of the scenario involved), to be unfair to the Matties family, I also think it is a mistake to use the incident as an opportunity to roundly criticize the attempts of TRPB to police the game. Comments that say the game has a tarnished image and actions like this make it worse seem incongruent. Unless you want state/federal government interfearing in the management of the game even more, the work of TRPB and ARCI needs to be supported. The same people carrying on about 'past posting' would do well to more widely support the work of TRPB/ARCI. They're the ones working hardest to 'get it right'.

Okay fair enough but don't you think giving interviews to DRF about this is a bit over the top. DRF would have never run with this if they didn't have someone feeding them info that they could defend in court if brought there. If you need to take an action like this do it quietly don't go public.

And Yes Deb I would excuse them from my affairs but wouldn't do so through the Washington Post.....

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Okay fair enough but don't you think giving interviews to DRF about this is a bit over the top. DRF would have never run with this if they didn't have someone feeding them info that they could defend in court if brought there. If you need to take an action like this do it quietly don't go public.

And Yes Deb I would excuse them from my affairs but wouldn't do so through the Washington Post.....

Uh, I'm pretty sure DRF was going to get wind of it sooner or later, at which point they would want a quote. It's not like there was a front-page tell-all feature on it.. It was basically a blurb with an obligatory quote from Hayward. Not sure what the big deal is.

[Stall Mucker]

Hmmm. Gambling on horse racing. What's this game coming to?

[Unionavenue]

Last I checked, this was the United States of America that has a constitution that protects due process. Whether it's Matteis, the seven jockeys or Braulio Baeza, all of us are guaranteed certain rights. What was done to Braulio and Mario was disgraceful. Anyone in the racing industry rushing in to hire them and help them out.

Don't let these people use you for their own agendas. They hide behind "protecting the horseplayer" and yet do nothing about it.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by Unionavenue

Last I checked, this was the United States of America that has a constitution that protects due process. Whether it's Matteis, the seven jockeys or Braulio Baeza, all of us are guaranteed certain rights. What was done to Braulio and Mario was disgraceful. Anyone in the racing industry rushing in to hire them and help them out.

Don't let these people use you for their own agendas. They hide behind "protecting the horseplayer" and yet do nothing about it.

U-ave. Holy Smokes. Good for you. Watch what you say here about NYRA. I posted a question about them here the other day and the thread was REMOVED.