Is Haskin joking?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You act like he wasn't clearly the best horse coming into the Derby - and you act like you didn't even bother to watch any of those four races you speak of - just happened to notice the final results.

He had an impossible trip in the Derby, he was MUCH better than his margin of victory in the Preakness, he was caught inside behind a slow pace in the Belmont and still answered the bell, and he had an impossible task in the Haskell racing wide off of a layoff over a track where the rail was extremely live.

If you want to pretend like that series of four races proved that he wasn't conclusively better than the rest of the 3yo males - go on.

You are absolutely correct in modern day thinking. It is not what they did, it is what might have happened if everything worked out. You have a huge career in the breeding business (horses)

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are absolutely correct in modern day thinking. It is not what they did, it is what might have happened if everything worked out. You have a huge career in the breeding business (horses)

It is what they did.

And I have no plans of getting into the breeding business anytime soon - horses or humans.

Not until Emily dumps the Silent Bob after the Nutra-Sytem diet looking guy and comes back to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It is what they did.

And I have no plans of getting into the breeding business anytime soon - horses or humans.

Not until Emily dumps the Silent Bob after the Nutra-Sytem diet looking guy and comes back to me.

Ok well he ran in 4 grade 1 3 year old races and lost 3 of them. If SS or HS had won the BC, there would be no way anyone could say that Curlin was head and shoulders above the other 3 year olds. So basically one big win on a sloppy track is the determining factor. That is hardly dominant

[kgar311]

I dont think SS was a monster either but at least he didnt get bitch slapped by a filly.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I dont think SS was a monster either but at least he didnt get bitch slapped by a filly.

The funny thing is that filly never would have entered the Belmont if Street Sense had yet didn't let Curlin scare her away.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok well he ran in 4 grade 1 3 year old races and lost 3 of them.

You are being too much of a results queen....

Curlin was a very lightly raced horse - who happened to have some genuine no doubt about it bad luck when the spotlight was on.

I know you and I disagreed about his race in the Belmont way back when - but it would be very hard for you to knock his other three races - because he had brutal circumstances in each.

This whole 'Let's just focus on the final results of 4 races' way of thinking is also pretty silly.

Secretariat lost the Champagne, Wood Memorial, Whitney, and Woodward stakes. Easy Goer won each of those four races in ultra impressive fashion. That doesn't mean anything does it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You are being too much of a results queen....

Curlin was a very lightly raced horse - who happened to have some genuine no doubt about it bad luck when the spotlight was on.

I know you and I disagreed about his race in the Belmont way back when - but it would be very hard for you to knock his other three races - because he had brutal circumstances in each.

This whole 'Let's just focus on the final results of 4 races' way of thinking is also pretty silly.

Secretariat lost the Champagne, Wood Memorial, Whitney, and Woodward stakes. Easy Goer won each of those four races in ultra impressive fashion. That doesn't mean anything does it?

Results matter. I fail to see the 'brutal" circumstances he had in the Belmont and Haskell. He was not a dominant 3 year old, he just wasnt. Secretariat was. Even Point Given was. Curlin wasn't.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Obviously not dominant to the extent the two you mentioned were.

[CSC]

No offense to anyone here. Like I said earlier I thought 2007 was a superb crop of 3 yr olds. Case closed.

I don't see the reason to run anyone of them down to make a point that one was superior to another. I believe Curlin was head and shoulders above the rest that is just my opinion, but reasons were stated in my earlier posts. I also think Street Sense, Hard Spun, Any Given Saturday and Rags to Riches are wonderful horses. If anyone of them were running this year anyone of them would probably be at the head of the class by years end.

All this making Curlin's accomplishments even more amazing, maybe we should just all agree this was a superb class that we were fortunate to see all of them run last year. I know I was.