Tomcito !!!

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!

[Thunder Gulch]

Maybe he's another polytrack lover that can win the Lexington, but he's not Derby material.

[slotdirt]

Why do you say that? The horse has raced exclusively on the real stuff throughout his career - and won.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Why do you say that? The horse has raced exclusively on the real stuff throughout his career - and won.

In Peru.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

In Peru.

why did you say he might be a polytrack lover? he's never been on that surface.

and yes he raced in Peru, but he was winning by some pretty gaudy margins. he might fit in very well with this rather undistinguished group we have this year.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

why did you say he might be a polytrack lover? he's never been on that surface.

and yes he raced in Peru, but he was winning by some pretty gaudy margins. he might fit in very well with this rather undistinguished group we have this year.

that actually makes a lot of sense... i mean the group has done nothing, he did run third off of a long long layoff, you'd figure a 2-3 this weekend, and he's be primed 3 start back for the derby... not impossible

[slotdirt]

I think that's a bit harsh, Hossy. A claimer? Are the nine or so horses who finished in arrears of Tomcito in the Florida Derby all claimers as well? Hey Byrn? Fierce Wind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He has no shot in the Derby if he somehow gets in. He's a claimer.

we can just paste in the Caesar thread as there can't be anything that wasn't covered about this horse in there

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He has no shot in the Derby if he somehow gets in. He's a claimer.

are you being serious ?
what makes him a claimer ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There were a couple of babies who worked a 1/4 over the polytrack at KEE in 20 2/5th seconds.

For very short distances - that surface is insanely fast compared to dirt. The longer they go - the much, much, much slower they go.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There were a couple of babies who worked a 1/4 over the polytrack at KEE in 20 2/5th seconds.

For very short distances - that surface is insanely fast compared to dirt. The longer they go - the much, much, much slower they go.

Very true. Damn near every 4 1/2-panel baby race I see there goes in :50 and change.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There were a couple of babies who worked a 1/4 over the polytrack at KEE in 20 2/5th seconds.

For very short distances - that surface is insanely fast compared to dirt. The longer they go - the much, much, much slower they go.

Except in the case of this horse endurance isn't the issue, it is that he is probably plain too slow. So seeing that he's at least capable of running three furlongs in 34 is a bit encouraging.

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Except in the case of this horse endurance isn't the issue, it is that he is probably plain too slow. So seeing that he's at least capable of running three furlongs in 34 is a bit encouraging.

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.

BINGO!!!

How long odds would these two be in a "normal" year- and we're discussing them as legitimate contenders to hit the board?!?!?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

BINGO!!!

How long odds would these two be in a "normal" year- and we're discussing them as legitimate contenders to hit the board?!?!?

Yeah, and how terrible is Court Vision that even in this impossibly slow year of Derby contenders I still think he's too slow to plod up to the top five.

[Thunder Gulch]

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.[/QUOTE]

...I feel the same way. Last week I emailed my friend (back me up BT)to tell him to take a look at Monba and Adriano, now we're in a Tomcito discussion, though I admit I glossed over his record and dismissed him off hand without really thinking about it. Now he's coming back with Salute the Sarge- how sad is this bunch. Meanwhile, I still can't get the "Giacomo-esque" Court Vision out of the trifecta.

[The Bid]

Please stop with the Tomcito, its hard to even read this garbage.

The horse has NO CHANCE to do anything, hes a complete crow. Tomcito is so slow he makes Court Vision look fast. Court Vision would beat Tomcito 10 out of 10 times

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Please stop with the Tomcito, its hard to even read this garbage.

The horse has NO CHANCE to do anything, hes a complete crow. Tomcito is so slow he makes Court Vision look fast. Court Vision would beat Tomcito 10 out of 10 times

Court Vision is pretty much a crow too though. I say they dead heat for 7th in the Derby

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

Man, this is an awful Derby. I've just defended the chances of Tomcito and Adriano in the past ten minutes.[/QUOTE]

...I feel the same way. Last week I emailed my friend (back me up BT)to tell him to take a look at Monba and Adriano, now we're in a Tomcito discussion, though I admit I glossed over his record and dismissed him off hand without really thinking about it. Now he's coming back with Salute the Sarge- how sad is this bunch. Meanwhile, I still can't get the "Giacomo-esque" Court Vision out of the trifecta.

It's soo sad of a bunch that i would be surprised if Big Brown wins. The field is full of sub-par 3YO's who have racked up a bunch of 3rd and 4ths for earnings. HANDS DOWN the best year to take a shot with a filly if you've got one (owners that is).
And yes i'm on the Sarge for the Lexington, i honestly believe people are looking into Tomcito's 3rd by 12 lengths to Big Brown a little too much.

-bt-

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Another big effort out of Tomcito again today.

Totally flatulent effort ... And yes I was disappointed ...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Another big effort out of Tomcito again today.

I was at Kee today, and he looked pretty good in the paddock, although like a turf horse to my eyes. The connections were very excited before the race. I saw them leaving after the day was over, the yellow Tomicito hats no longer in strong evidence. That might be it for that dream.

Mott's horse looked great in the paddock, eager to have at it, professional, and seems to look like a horse on the upswing, with improvement left.

I think Baffert was himself surprised.

Everybody else looked pretty unimpressive to me, actually. I went only to go to the paddock and see the horses, and I was disappointed with much of what I saw in person. Weird year. It's like they are 2 months behind, developmentally (small, not muscled/impressive) - they didn't look like horses two weeks from the Derby. Of course, this is the B team.