Commentator ?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

are you as excited as me ? i read that the whitney is the major goal.... that really pumps me up, maybe horse of the year campaign if curlin stumbles.

Excited for the return of a seven-year old sprinter that quits every time he doesn't get the lead?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Excited for the return of a seven-year old sprinter that quits every time he doesn't get the lead?

i love the difference of opinion, you say that
i say easily the best horse in the world, not named curlin, and i still think he could speed pop curlin up to 1 1/8

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i love the difference of opinion, you say that
i say easily the best horse in the world, not named curlin, and i still think he could speed pop curlin up to 1 1/8

of course you also thought Curlin was in over his head in Dubai.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i love the difference of opinion, you say that
i say easily the best horse in the world, not named curlin, and i still think he could speed pop curlin up to 1 1/8

I can think of several horses who are better than he is that aren't named Curlin; Tiago and Heatseeker come to mind. I'd take Electrify over him. I'm sure there's another 5 or so if I stopped to think about it. Commentator is a one dimensional sort who thrills those who only see speed figures and don't understand how the trip affects the figure.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by JJP

I can think of several horses who are better than he is that aren't named Curlin; Tiago and Heatseeker come to mind. I'd take Electrify over him. I'm sure there's another 5 or so if I stopped to think about it. Commentator is a one dimensional sort who thrills those who only see speed figures and don't understand how the trip affects the figure.

your very funny tonight, tiago and heatseeker are nice horses, but unless they have a rabit, they never get to commentator.

[JJP]

Has Commentator beat anyone of note since the summer of 2005? I think we all know the answer to that.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by JJP

Has Commentator beat anyone of note since the summer of 2005? I think we all know the answer to that.

ok slick... say there is a monster field of

commentator
heatseeker
tiago
curlin
grasshopper
circular quay
go between


who is near commentator early ? NO ONE, he is dangerous in any race vs anyone

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

he is dangerous in any race vs anyone

Or is it only in races where you choose a paceless field?

If your only goal is to say that Commentator could bottom out a Grade I field going long then I think you're right. However, until he does it again, everyone should be skeptical. Predicting Commentator to win a race like the Whitney is as bold as predicting that Chatain will win the Forego.

NT

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

ok slick... say there is a monster field of

commentator
heatseeker
tiago
curlin
grasshopper
circular quay
go between


who is near commentator early ? NO ONE, he is dangerous in any race vs anyone

In a match race, Curlin would beat Commentator at virtually any distance. Adding others to the field won't change anything.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Excited for the return of a seven-year old sprinter that quits every time he doesn't get the lead?

If he gets it he's awful hard to catch! The handicap division looks a little weak. He could steal the Whitney!

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If he gets it he's awful hard to catch! The handicap division looks a little weak. He could steal the Whitney!

he could steal a lot more then that... the met does not make much sense to me, there could be a lot of early speed. why not races like the pimlico special, stephen foster, where he could be lone speed, or if not lone, at least the speed of the speed

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

he could steal a lot more then that... the met does not make much sense to me, there could be a lot of early speed. why not races like the pimlico special, stephen foster, where he could be lone speed, or if not lone, at least the speed of the speed

I like Commentator too.. but that's a pipe dream. He needs to stay at 8 furlongs or less to have a chance these days.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I like Commentator too.. but that's a pipe dream. He needs to stay at 8 furlongs or less to have a chance these days.

pipe dream ? the major goal this year is the whitney, so i dont think 8 or less is in the thoughts.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If he gets it he's awful hard to catch! The handicap division looks a little weak. He could steal the Whitney!

Oh, there's no doubt that he does some awesome things when he gets to the front. He's very fast and could indeed steal the Whitney, I just have a dislike for horses like him who rack up giant figures when loose and then spit the bit when they don't get their way.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh, there's no doubt that he does some awesome things when he gets to the front. He's very fast and could indeed steal the Whitney, I just have a dislike for horses like him who rack up giant figures when loose and then spit the bit when they don't get their way.

I love them... makes my job handicapping much easier and profitable!

See: last year's Tom Fool, or 2006 Forego.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I just have a dislike for horses like him who rack up giant figures when loose and then spit the bit when they don't get their way.

Why?
First of all - as a fan - I enjoy watching horses run really fast races. He does that at times, and hardly any other horses running today actually seem capable of that.
Perhaps more importantly, as a handicapper, don't horses that are that predictable often make for winning bets?
If you see the horse in a race where he isn't likely to get the early lead, people that can recognize his limitations stand to make money looking eleswhere compared to those that are simply dazzled by big figures.
On the other hand, in a race where he does figure to make the early lead easily, he is likely to be a very good value if there are also any other quality horses in the field.
What's not to like?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why?
First of all - as a fan - I enjoy watching horses run really fast races. He does that at times, and hardly any other horses running today actually seem capable of that.
Perhaps more importantly, as a handicapper, don't horses that are that predictable often make for winning bets?
If you see the horse in a race where he isn't likely to get the early lead, people that can recognize his limitations stand to make money looking eleswhere compared to those that are simply dazzled by big figures.
On the other hand, in a race where he does figure to make the early lead easily, he is likely to be a very good value if there are also any other quality horses in the field.
What's not to like?

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

well said. i second that.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Speaking purely from a fan's perspective, I don't really give a **** about "really fast races" that are run only under perfect circumstances. I like consistent, mature, versatile horses who continually run their race, no matter what. Like Curlin.

Well no kidding, but these days if you only like horses that fit that description you won't like 99.999999999% of the horses out there.

[philcski]

To answer the real question of this thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the CD Handicap on Derby Day. Seems like the next real good fit.