Pyro

[Slewstoo]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

why not? he's also won at churchill.

Yeah so has Pyro, who's also been little more consistent and explosive the last time I checked.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Slewstoo

Yeah so has Pyro, who's also been little more consistent and explosive the last time I checked.

good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

Last time I checked, Derby winners don't run on a surface completely foreign to anything else they have ever set foot on in the previous prep. I'd have liked to see him show a little more interest, but I doubt it mattered. He wasn't well meant today.

[Slewstoo]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

good luck if he's your derby horse and you're unfazed by todays result. last time I checked derby winners don't finish 10th by 12 lengths in their final prep.

This is not a typical year by any means.

[dylbert]

1) Who won last year's Toyoda Blue Grass Stakes?

2) Where did winner finish three weeks later?

Pyro didn't run a lick on plastic dirt. Ho hum... Seems that some horses thrive on various versions of synthetic and others just backup. Then, you get some that move from syn-to-dirt and explode and others backup.

Very chaotic element for handicappers. Proven performance on a particular surface appears paramount to repeat success. However, it does not consistantly predict NEXT PERFORMANCE on ANY SURFACE.

Do I sound confused? Yes, I am... Add 20 horse field and complete chaos may prevail.

[jcs11204]

guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

[Slewstoo]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

Top 4, as in contenders? With the exception of Colonel John, that is a very original list to say the least. Would love to see what that super would pay.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Slewstoo

Top 4, as in contenders? With the exception of Colonel John, that is a very original list to say the least. Would love to see what that super would pay.

those are my 4.... pick 3 and 4 ending with the derby i will have those 4 and no one else.... i will use the next 2 weeks to figure out who my win bet will be, but it will come out of those 4

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Slewstoo

Top 4, as in contenders? With the exception of Colonel John, that is a very original list to say the least. Would love to see what that super would pay.

same as his colonel john-court vision exacta.

[hi_im_god]

i should post more often.

i'm pretty sure i could hit the derby winner if i made the effort.

[Thunder Gulch]

I'm baffled by Pyro's lack of a run of any sort, but if he goes to Churchill and looks good in his works, I'll use confidently and now I get a price. Anyone remember the 1995 Derby winner came out of the Bluegrass a dull 4th after winning the Florida Derby, then was dismissed at 24-1. Dull 4th isn't a no factor 10th, but on that surface, it's easy to just toss the thing out and be thankful for twice the price.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

guys we will see all i am saying is, i am more intrested in horse's like cowboy cal, monba, court vision and colonel john. then possible favorites like war pass, big brown, pyro.... is there a problem liking horses with good connections that will also offer value ? it seems like everyone rips my opinion but why ? should i just love big brown who will be a horrible favorite, imo. i am sticking to my guns, no changes.... my top 4, in order are......

cowboy cal
court vision
colonel john
monbA

Colonel John will be half the price of War Pass.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

smooth air............

[hockey2315]

cowboy cal - no shot
court vision - no shot
colonel john - decent shot
monba - very very small shot

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

cowboy cal - no shot
court vision - no shot
colonel john - decent shot
monba - very very small shot

you should talk....... the same person who told me to single the 6 in the second today, when my original post had pletcher on it. lol

anyway i dont see how cowboy cal has no shot !

[hockey2315]

If you singled off of someone else's advice from a message board who you don't know then you deserve to lose. How'd you do in the other legs?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

If you singled off of someone else's advice from a message board who you don't know then you deserve to lose. How'd you do in the other legs?

you know... i would have had red hot bullet
ran second third and fourth in the turf race
and then been dq's in the 5th
my only hit today was cowboy cal, i went 75 wps on him, and that did noeven get me close to even.