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Old 04-07-2008, 08:50 AM
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You might want to include Eight Belles. Connections are going to monitor the Derby contenders to decide whether or not to run for the roses.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:55 AM
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You might want to include Eight Belles. Connections are going to monitor the Derby contenders to decide whether or not to run for the roses.
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Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:07 AM
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Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.
Yeah, sounds like they won't commit until then:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...y_hopeful.html

Trained by Larry Jones and owned by Wilmington's Rick Porter, Eight Belles is nominated for both the May 3 Kentucky Derby and the Kentucky Oaks, the big race of the year for 3-year-old fillies that is run the day before the Derby at Churchill Downs. She has $210,000 in graded-stakes earnings, enough to make the Derby field.

Porter said last night that the filly's handlers would keep the Derby open as a possibility. A final decision does not have to be made until Derby week.

"I'd like to find a way to run in the Derby," said Porter, the owner of last year's Derby runner-up, Hard Spun.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:17 AM
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"I'd like to find a way to run in the Derby," said Rick Porter, the owner of last year's Derby runner-up, Hard Spun.[/i]



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Scott,

Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.
Was going to post the same thing... but you guys beat me to it. It's the [bigheaded] owner calling the shots on this one. I like both of them quite a bit for the Oaks, however.

Love that picture of Congaree.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:45 AM
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Was going to post the same thing... but you guys beat me to it. It's the [bigheaded] owner calling the shots on this one. I like both of them quite a bit for the Oaks, however.

Love that picture of Congaree.
For once I can't say I completely disagree with him. If they were males and you looked at their past performances would they really be any worse than 4th or 5th choice?
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For once I can't say I completely disagree with him. If they were males and you looked at their past performances would they really be any worse than 4th or 5th choice?
True... and I think while in the betting they may not be 4th or 5th choice, in real talent and potential to win the Derby, I think you are on point. Who would be ahead of them besides Pyro, Big Brown, and Colonel John?
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True... and I think while in the betting they may not be 4th or 5th choice, in real talent and potential to win the Derby, I think you are on point. Who would be ahead of them besides Pyro, Big Brown, and Colonel John?
Unless someone emerges in the next two weeks I have absolutely no guess who would go off as the 4th choice. Could be any of about 8 different horses.
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Unless someone emerges in the next two weeks I have absolutely no guess who would go off as the 4th choice. Could be any of about 8 different horses.
Right now it would be either War Pass or Tale of Ekati. Both will likely be eclipsed for that spot in the coming week.
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Hey Steve, did you include Visionaire's $22.5K for fifth in the Blue Grass?
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Awesome update Steve. Thanks!

Quick Edit: What do the horses shaded in green have mean?
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Awesome update Steve. Thanks!

Quick Edit: What do the horses shaded in green have mean?
23 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
24 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $129,000
25 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417
26 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $120,000

Those 4 respresent horses that 'technically' appear within the starting grid should the unlikelies NOT run... But of course all except Atoned will run this weekend and stand pretty good chances to improve their placement on the earnings list.
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23 Atoned Todd Pletcher $130,000
24 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $129,000
25 Blackberry Road David Carroll $123,417
26 My Pal Charlie Al Stall Jr. $120,000

Those 4 respresent horses that 'technically' appear within the starting grid should the unlikelies NOT run... But of course all except Atoned will run this weekend and stand pretty good chances to improve their placement on the earnings list.
What about the others you have in green- Pyro, Court Vision, Cool Coal Man, and so on?
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What about the others you have in green- Pyro, Court Vision, Cool Coal Man, and so on?
All likely for Derby baring injury, etc..
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Either way, a Jones-trained filly is in a top spot on the list.. Would be very surprised by Eight Belles though. It's Proud Spell who is the appropriate Derby filly. Will have Larry Jones on ATR today or tomorrow to clarify, but I bet he won't commit to anything until Derby-Oaks Week.

Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.
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Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.
she should, her last few races were vs small groups, her going against 20 in the derby would be a disaster in my opinion, and she'd be overbet. I think proud spell is the one, battle tested, she could fire big vs the boys.
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Story on ESPN says Eight Belles is headed for the Oaks.
Let's hope so!
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Actually, the story on Bloodhorse quotes Rick Porter as saying they are keeping their options open...
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