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Old 04-02-2008, 09:39 AM
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Great stuff. Thank you.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:29 AM
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Thanks DrugS. A super presentation about pace in a race. You can see the toll headstrong horses can take on each other battling for the lead.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:30 AM
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how come i cant see drugS pics? I have my "show images" thingy checked!

I would very much like to see drugS fine work.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:34 AM
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how come i cant see drugS pics? I have my "show images" thingy checked!

I would very much like to see drugS fine work.
Are you at work? He probably posted them on one of his porn sites and you are being filtered.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:36 AM
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Are you at work? He probably posted them on one of his porn sites and you are being filtered.

yes thank you. Unfortunatley i do not have a computer at home (if ya'll remember my tragic beer spilling experience on my sony vaio this past summer at toga). I'll just use my imagination.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:41 AM
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yes thank you. Unfortunatley i do not have a computer at home (if ya'll remember my tragic beer spilling experience on my sony vaio this past summer at toga) . I'll just use my imagination.
haven't got a new one yet?

Hi Lori.....how's it going?
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:50 AM
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haven't got a new one yet?

Hi Lori.....how's it going?

no i'm poor! Its going well, saw kns yesterday and am still hoping to get to toga for a bit this summer.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:42 AM
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definite good work, drugs. i think the pictures helped explain it as much as the words, which were very good, too. well done.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:50 AM
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Trip picture 6.jpg

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Old 04-02-2008, 11:42 AM
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how come i cant see drugS pics? I have my "show images" thingy checked!

I would very much like to see drugS fine work.
Trip picture 1.jpg

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Old 04-03-2008, 06:18 AM
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I would love to know what kind of program you need to do this type of illustration?
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Old 04-03-2008, 06:29 AM
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Very nice information indeed.

Thanks...

Question also about program...how long did it take you to do this?

Maybe you could have a highlight race of the week and do the same thing explaining what happened?

Watcha think Drugs?

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Old 04-03-2008, 01:26 PM
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This is actually pretty simple and can be done without Photoshop, which you'd either have to spend 100's of dollars on or download with a crack.

1. Download and install IrfanView, a free graphics program.
2. Open the video file with IrfanView and play until you get to the point in the video you want to edit.
3. Stop the video (or pause) and do a screen capture.
4. Save the screen capture as a jpg file.
5. Using the paint tools, draw the box like Druggie did around the areas you'd like to highlight, using whatever colors you see fit.
6. Add text as needed.
7. Save file with new name.

You can do any one of these shots in two minutes or less, once you have everything installed and you know your way around the program.
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Old 04-03-2008, 01:42 PM
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This is actually pretty simple and can be done without Photoshop, which you'd either have to spend 100's of dollars on or download with a crack.

1. Download and install IrfanView, a free graphics program.
2. Open the video file with IrfanView and play until you get to the point in the video you want to edit.
3. Stop the video (or pause) and do a screen capture.
4. Save the screen capture as a jpg file.
5. Using the paint tools, draw the box like Druggie did around the areas you'd like to highlight, using whatever colors you see fit.
6. Add text as needed.
7. Save file with new name.

You can do any one of these shots in two minutes or less, once you have everything installed and you know your way around the program.
It could all be done in the simple Paint program that comes pre-installed on most PCs, too. Basically the same process, really.
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Old 04-03-2008, 09:21 PM
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Dare And Go never won again - his 116 Beyer that day regressing to 105, and 92 in his next two starts.

I think you're being a little too dramatic in calling Dare And Go "wildly inferior", at least as far as Siphon and Dramatic Gold (who were also boxcar odds in that race) are concerned.

Dare And Go ventured to the post sporadically in the previous 18 months prior to the Pacific Classic. Having placed in three Grade 1's on turf (Secretariat, Hollywood Derby, Hollywood Turf Cup) at 3 after being imported from France, DAG was switched to the main track for the Strub series. He was a good 3rd in his dirt debut in a wet San Fernando, won by the versatile Grade 1 winner Wekiva Springs, jumping a piece of cellophane at the 1/16th pole (ironically dropped by jockey Chris Antley at the start of the race). Second was Dramatic Gold, coming off a placing in the BC Classic and soon to go down with a broken leg following the Strub. In 4th was comebacking Strodes Creek, 2nd in the previous year's Derby. Dare And Go won his next out the Strub, going 10f, over the same group, and followed up with a 3rd to Urgent Request and Best Pal in the Big Cap before going on the shelf with a hind end injury.

He returned the next winter at SA and was a modest 3rd to stablemate Soul of the Matter and Alphabet Soup in the San Antonio. He was scratched the morning of the Big Cap due to injury, but returned quickly to take a minor stakes. He ran without benefit of a prep in the Hollywood Gold Cup a few months later, and like everything else in there, was up-ended by a loose on the lead Siphon.

To be fair, his post-Pacific Classic win is not as cut-and-dry as you'd make it. He was banged around on the first turn in the Goodwood and still managed third. The trouble was significant enough to see the disqualification of actual first place finisher, and subsequent BC Classic winner, Alphabet Soup down to 3rd.

His final career start was the BC Classic, coupled with Atticus, that saw him finish midpack. He emerged from the race with a knee injury that led to his retirement. That race, and the Hollywood Gold Cup were 2 of only 3 races where Dare And Go finished worse than 3rd in a 22 race career.
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Old 04-03-2008, 10:05 PM
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Dare And Go never won again - his 116 Beyer that day regressing to 105, and 92 in his next two starts.

I think you're being a little too dramatic in calling Dare And Go "wildly inferior", at least as far as Siphon and Dramatic Gold (who were also boxcar odds in that race) are concerned.
Siphon was 6/1 and Dramatic Gold 25/1.

In his most recent start before the Pacific Classic - Siphon beat Dare And Go by 7.5 lengths when he won the Hollywood Gold Cup (Dare And Go was 5th)

A month and a half later, Siphon was part of that 3 way pace battle and finished 10.5 lengths behind Dare And Go in the Pac Classic.

Basically, in a matter of one start and six weeks time, there was an 18 length swing between those two horses.

Siphon went wire-to-wire unpressured in that Hollywood Gold Cup while Dare And Go stalked from 2nd and backed up to finish 5th.

As for Dramatic Gold, he was 2nd to Cigar the start prior, and won a pair of important Graded Stakes with Alphabet Soup 2nd and Formal Gold 2nd in the two following starts.

Obviously, his 18.5 length defeat with an 88 Beyer sticks out like a sore thumb in between a figure of 111 one start prior and a 110 and 111 two starts after.

Dare And Go was clearly the lesser of those four horses in my opinion.
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:00 PM
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You point out DAG's perfect setup in the Pac Classic, but didn't Siphon get the trip in the Gold Cup (it was a major upset at the time)? I already mentioned the injury-plagued Dare And Go came into that race off a brief layoff, so that shift in lengths between the two is double sided.

Going by the results of the '95 Strub Series, there wasn't much seperating Dramatic Gold and Dare And Go.
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:10 PM
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Dramatic Gold beat him the start prior to the Strub - and was the shorter price.

You won't at least concede he was a little better? It's very obvious Cigar and Siphon were vastly superior.

The reason why that three way speed duel developed was because Jerry Bailey feared if Siphon got an easy lead again he might not be able to catch him with Cigar.

However, Nakatani sent Dramatic Gold to try and get a position outside of Siphon where they could slow it down together and keep Cigar boxed in.

Bailey had to either concede a tactical edge or use up Cigar in a duel with the two best rivals in the race.

With Bailey choosing to do the latter - he basically made it equally tough trips for all 3 horses - but negated any edge the only horse he feared would have had on him. Obviously he regretted doing that because of the result.
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