How good is Big Brown?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The track getting scraped for the big race is not a new phenomenon. It's frustrating, because final times on their own don't carry as much weight anymore with the advent of speed figures. They could have run it in in 1:51 yesterday, but the figures would have still come out with a fast effort.

That is the funny thing. Only the most novice of handicappers would care about final time. If the debacle that has been Santa Anita proved anything, it is that raw time is meaningless. For some reason, the tracks still seem to think people care about the final time though.

[Danzig]

i'm just surprised that no one has posted the ubiquitous 'i wonder how much faster he'd have gone if kent had gotten after him' post.

[Danzig]

i do have a question tho.

i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?

Originally Posted by Danzig

i do have a question tho.

i just read the write up on t'bred times and they say that his stamina was never depleted. but what about his stretch run? was he weaving like an irishman on st paddys day because he was green? or was he rubber legged because he ran out of gas?

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.
I remember thinking I wanted him to walk it out, not just sit and do an interview.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

You're in rare form tonight, Chuck.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You're in rare form tonight, Chuck.

I watched No Country for Old Men tonight and the 457 killings are affecting me.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What did you expect? Him to be sitting on a beach chair, sipping a Frank's Energy drink?

Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others. Reminded of me of
my own dry heaving after excessive exertion after a race.
Ya just dont want to sit there. My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Sometimes Dutrows horses seem in extraordinary good
shape and catch their wind very quickly.

He was breathing very hard.
He was not prepared for a good ole gallop out
like some of Dutrows others.

You actually monitor the post race breathing patterns of Dutrow horses?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My wife has this excessive paranioa
about cooling horses down properly and she kind of got mad.

It bothers me too, but I can't remember seeing a racehorse (especially one that ran lights out like him) NOT blow hard afterwards.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He was blowing very hard after the race when they were talking to kent.

He only had two workouts all year prior to his return race ....

Being that far behind on seasoning, and running fast early and winning a fast paced 9 furlong race in blowout fashion....he had every right to get tired in the late stages and after the race.

He'd be from another planet if he wasn't a little tired.

[hockey2315]

I just watched the race again and he didn't look too good in the stretch. That doesn't bode well for the derby at all.

[ELA]

I don't think his drifting/swaying in the stretch had to do with getting tired, not nearly as much as it had to do with other factors (which I won't get into here). I am not saying he'll stay either. At this point, I am indifferent. As far as the Derby, for me, the verdict is still out but it's not looking positive.

Eric

[Travis Stone]

The "secret" of his past physical issues is not a secret.

[Danzig]

i think some people who seem to be jumping on his bandwagon will be elsewhere after the next prep. we see that part of it every year. a few weeks ago pyro was the big deal, especially after war pass threw in his clunker. but pyro hasn't been seen in a few weeks.

hard to say what to think of big brown. he ran well at 9f yesterday-but still plenty of questions about him-others as well of course. but his soundness is an issue, and i would think his ability to remain fit would be affected by that-as well as his ability to run at churchill. like moss said, that track is unkind to bad feet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and i would think his ability to remain fit would be affected by that-as well as his ability to run at churchill. like moss said, that track is unkind to bad feet.

And this is based upon?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this is based upon?

Was wondering the same thing myself... I had heard the opposite of Churchill's surface.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this is based upon?

i don't know, ask randy moss.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this is based upon?

A bunch of nonsense that because the CD track on Derby day typically yields fast times throughout the card that it must be like a paved road and thus horses without the toughest of feet get exposed over it.

[wac]

As i was watching this race yesertday i just kept thinking that surely this horse is gonna give up the ghost at some point.And he just didn't i know that there are some ?'s about the track but stil its just unreal to me that the horse went 45 for the half and just kept going. Have a lot of you seen that? I know that Bellamy Rd in the wood i guess comes up but something else was pointed out and that was the fact that the horse was weaving back and forth and a lot of the times it seems that people say that they are racing greenly but i have always wondered if it was b/c they are running out of gas. All in all it was an unreal display and i was awestruck for like 30mins afterwards.