A true stiffing

A bad ride and a stiff are very different
things. I thought stiff meant intent to hold
a horse back from winning or intentionally
producing a poor performance from a horse.

How the heck do you get that out of that ride.
You can call it whatever, but a stiff?
If you play this game and can clearly call that
a stiff you dont have the temprament to handle
all the crap that can happen.

[The Bid]

2hot4tv these guys are talking about a different race.

As far as your comment goes I dont think you realize the race was 1 1/4. You dont think those are honest fractions going 1 1/4 miles.

Again, the ride was absolutely criminal. It was a stiff job, a butcher job, a bad ride, its whatever you want to call it. Its the best horse getting beat when hes rolling by at the 16th pole with all the momentum. Its Talamoses taking a visable measure to his inside and not finishing his ride, Talamoses being a fool.

I call it a stiff job because the best horse was beaten and never should have been. Its stiffing the public, the trainer, the owner, its brutal. There is no excuse for a ride like that and he should be fined, and given days.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

2hot4tv these guys are talking about a different race.

As far as your comment goes I dont think you realize the race was 1 1/4. You dont think those are honest fractions going 1 1/4 miles.

Again, the ride was absolutely criminal. It was a stiff job, a butcher job, a bad ride, its whatever you want to call it. Its the best horse getting beat when hes rolling by at the 16th pole with all the momentum. Its Talamoses taking a visable measure to his inside and not finishing his ride, Talamoses being a fool.

I call it a stiff job because the best horse was beaten and never should have been. Its stiffing the public, the trainer, the owner, its brutal. There is no excuse for a ride like that and he should be fined, and given days.

I have no dog in this fight, but after having watched the replay a few times now...that statement in bold hits the nail on the head. In no way, shape or form did Joe T finish riding the horse to the wire.

[The Bid]

No, he didnt finish his ride, he didnt think about finishing his ride. He absolutely stopped on the horse once he rolled up with all the momentum. Not passing in that situation is inexcusable

Originally Posted by The Bid

No, he didnt finish his ride, he didnt think about finishing his ride. He absolutely stopped on the horse once he rolled up with all the momentum. Not passing in that situation is inexcusable

I see what you guys are saying.
But then you have posters like
fat man getting pissed because
a horse is getting a beatn throwing
the horse out of contention.

So I get a bit confused when people gripe
that a horse was doing well until the jockey
starting overriding a horse. And then we get
this where a jock figures (I guess) that he is
getting everything out of a horse. So now the
jock is not finishing the ride.

Personally Ive got beaten by much worse than
that ride. Of course I play mostly at a pretty crappy track
so I have come to accept it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I think Gomez and Bejarano would of won with Le Cirque,but not sure any of the other riders would have (at Anita.)The horse is pretty despicable.

[The Bid]

I would say 99 percent of the colony would have won on that horse. Talamoses is probably the only one dumb enough to try to measure a neck victory.

Hes a pretty honest horse Scuds, and he was the best horse in that race. Its just ashame that these guys arent held accountable when they sh it the bed like that

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I see what you guys are saying.
But then you have posters like
fat man getting pissed because
a horse is getting a beatn throwing
the horse out of contention.

So I get a bit confused when people gripe
that a horse was doing well until the jockey
starting overriding a horse. And then we get
this where a jock figures (I guess) that he is
getting everything out of a horse. So now the
jock is not finishing the ride.

Personally Ive got beaten by much worse than
that ride. Of course I play mostly at a pretty crappy track
so I have come to accept it.

Pat...what I see him doing has nothing to do with beating the horse. IMO Joe T clearly stops shaking the reigns on the horse...like he quits asking the horse for run. May not look like much at first, but I think it is enough of a difference between winning and losing. I think I know Bid well enough that if he felt Joe T had ridden the horse out and still got beat, he would have never started this thread to begin with. All I ever ask for in a race is a fair chance...I don't think this horse was given a fair chance. He headed the other horse, was rolling by the other horse and Joe T quit asking after that. Who knows if he thought he was gonna keep cruising by the horse, or what, but he clearly made a mistake.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GPK

Pat...what I see him doing has nothing to do with beating the horse. IMO Joe T clearly stops shaking the reigns on the horse...like he quits asking the horse for run. May not look like much at first, but I think it is enough of a difference between winning and losing. I think I know Bid well enough that if he felt Joe T had ridden the horse out and still got beat, he would have never started this thread to begin with. All I ever ask for in a race is a fair chance...I don't think this horse was given a fair chance. He headed the other horse, was rolling by the other horse and Joe T quit asking after that. Who knows if he thought he was gonna keep cruising by the horse, or what, but he clearly made a mistake.

but the original assertion here wasn't that it was a mistake. It was that it was a criminal "stiff" job and he should get time and be fined which is quite simply laughable.