Saturday Stakes BSF's

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There isn't enough time in the day for me to explain this to you. And honestly, why should I? You have made no attempt to even try and understand how someone comes up with a figure. All you've really said is the figures are all wrong, because they disagree with you.

You seem to think this is not a slow group. That's fine, but again, you offer no reason why other than you disagree. Then you go on to use the figs in your arguement, but it all looks foolish, because you don't know what you are talking about. Do yourself a favor and read a book or something on how someone comes up with a speed figure. It'll help your understanding of them a lot more and you'll see why your arguement is pretty pointless right now.

In a nutshell, you don't know either right? I offered a lot of reasons to why I disagree. My argument was very logical. Pace makes the race, and since BSFs do not take pace into account...well.

Visionaire got a higher number in the Gotham than Pyro got in the Risen Star when Pyro is the superior animal. That speaks volumes in itself. Pyro should be in the 100+ range if he gets some pace to run at next out, which=not slow.

Sierra Sunset got a 99 when many of these horses will beat up on him. That speaks volumes about how talented this crop really is... I don't even know if that horse would be in my top 10 right now.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

... Pace makes the race, and since BSFs do not take pace into account...well...

Imho...Pace is an extremely important factor in handicapping a race...but in a discussion as to whether or not the current crop of 3yo's is currently relatively slower than years past, ...well a comparison of speed figures is the most valid means of forming an informed opinion....speed figures are certainly more relavent than how a horse visually appears to be running in a portion of any specific race..

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Imho...Pace is an extremely important factor in handicapping a race...but in a discussion as to whether or not the current crop of 3yo's is currently relatively slower than years past, ...well a comparison of speed figures is the most valid means of forming an informed opinion....speed figures are certainly more relavent than how a horse visually appears to be running in a portion of any specific race..

Well, we agree to disagree then, but I respect your opinion. I have been taught differently and have learned not to rely on speed figures for assessing talent in certain situations. Like I said, they are very useful sometimes. Sometimes they are dead on. I just think that some of these horses running are extremely talented right now despite the low BSFs becaue of the pace factor.