Georgie Boy

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Consider, also, the above assumes he will even like the footing offered by real dirt.

do you have some examples of horses who couldn't transfer their good synthetic form to dirt, meaning they couldn't handle the dirt footing?

I haven't noticed really many examples of this. maybe I'm missing something.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

do you have some examples of horses who couldn't transfer their good synthetic form to dirt, meaning they couldn't handle the dirt footing?

I haven't noticed really many examples of this. maybe I'm missing something.

I am assuming if a horse runs big on poly or other fake stuff, and doesn't run well on dirt, he probably didn't handle the footing as well. That is all I was trying to say. Sure, maybe a lot of them handle it by running slower.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I am assuming if a horse runs big on poly or other fake stuff, and doesn't run well on dirt, he probably didn't handle the footing as well. That is all I was trying to say. Sure, maybe a lot of them handle it by running slower.

Wat about Sierra? And the LA Derby 3rd?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Wat about Sierra? And the LA Derby 3rd?

What about them? I wouldn't say either one of them ran very well on synthetic.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I am assuming if a horse runs big on poly or other fake stuff, and doesn't run well on dirt, he probably didn't handle the footing as well. That is all I was trying to say. Sure, maybe a lot of them handle it by running slower.

any prominent examples? horses that run slower on dirt, thats my question.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I thought that Yankee Bravo won the California Derby on Tapeta.

[The Bid]

Its hard to read some of these posts anymore

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Its hard to read some of these posts anymore

Nobody is forcing you to.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

any prominent examples? horses that run slower on dirt, thats my question.

How about one race of PPs, the Big Cap. All the following have run much better on synthetic than dirt:

Big Booster
Monterey Jazz
Zappa
Celtic Dreaming

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How about one race of PPs, the Big Cap. All the following have run much better on synthetic than dirt:

Big Booster
Monterey Jazz
Zappa
Celtic Dreaming

Monterey Jazz just happen to get a track that we cant call a normal Synthetic track when he went wire to wire. I think he would of ran the same race on the old dirt track at Santa Anita. The horse just got good at the right time.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The top 3 finishers in the Big Cap were all turf horses.

[ForestofWonders]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The top 3 finishers in the Big Cap were all turf horses.

The winner of the Donn Handicap this year ran on turf as well.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How about one race of PPs, the Big Cap. All the following have run much better on synthetic than dirt:

Big Booster
Monterey Jazz
Zappa
Celtic Dreaming

these horses are better on synthetic? based on what criteria?
lets take a look at these horses records.


Big Booster
dirt record 8 3-0-0
aw record 5 1-0-2
appears to favor dirt

Monterrey Jazz
dirt record 3 1-0-1
aw record 3 1-0-1
has won in the past year going short and long on dirt, aw, and turf.

Zappa
dirt record 11 4-1-4
aw record 5 3-0-1
does well on aw, but also seems to run on any surface. won a 3 turn stakes race last year on the FPX dirt.

Celtic Dreamin
dirt record 2 2-0-0
aw record 7 3-4-0
I love this horse. he never runs a bad race. however you can't say he prefers aw because he is undefeated on dirt winning convincingly both times.

what I am looking for, are examples of horses that run well on synthetic (aw), but show a marked decline in form whenever they try dirt. these examples do not fit that description.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Big Booster
dirt record 8 3-0-0
aw record 5 1-0-2
appears to favor dirt

I really hope you are kidding.

In his final start on dirt, which was March 24th of 2007, Big Booster was 4th beaten 5 lengths at odds of even money in a 50K claiming race.

In his first start on synthetic, which was May 24th of 2007, Big Booster (under 123 pounds) wins an alw race on synthetic by 3/4 of a length at 25/1 odds. The 2nd place finisher, it was Heatseeker (under 113 pounds)

In his 2nd start on synthetic, Big Booster is beaten less than one length in the Hollywood Gold Cup at 25/1 odds.

Either KYRIM stole your login - or you are out of your mind for saying that Big Booster appears to favor dirt over synthetic.

Since beating Heatseeker at 25/1 odds in an alw race in his synthetic debut - Big Booster has raced exclusively and competitively in Grade 1 or Grade 2 stakes.

When Big Booster was racing on dirt, he was either competitive in claiming races at Gulfstream - or getting blown out in allowance races on the AQU inner dirt.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Yeah, we all know that Mike Mitchell had nothing to do with it

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I really hope you are kidding.

In his final start on dirt, which was March 24th of 2007, Big Booster was 4th beaten 5 lengths at odds of even money in a 50K claiming race.

In his first start on synthetic, which was May 24th of 2007, Big Booster (under 123 pounds) wins an alw race on synthetic by 3/4 of a length at 25/1 odds. The 2nd place finisher, it was Heatseeker (under 113 pounds)

In his 2nd start on synthetic, Big Booster is beaten less than one length in the Hollywood Gold Cup at 25/1 odds.

Either KYRIM stole your login - or you are out of your mind for saying that Big Booster appears to favor dirt over synthetic.

Since beating Heatseeker at 25/1 odds in an alw race in his synthetic debut - Big Booster has raced exclusively and competitively in Grade 1 or Grade 2 stakes.

When Big Booster was racing on dirt, he was either competitive in claiming races at Gulfstream - or getting blown out in allowance races on the AQU inner dirt.

I believe you incorrectly assume that Big Booster under Mitchells care would not run well in GR1's or GR2's on dirt against the rather dreadful older horses out there. the horse has moved up a bit under Mitchell, big deal. which horse hasn't? pointing out that the horse ran fifth in his last dirt start overlooks the fact that the horse previously won on dirt with speed figures that are inline with what he is now running on aw. the class rise that you are hangin your hat on is a thin one imo.

and really, how good is Big Booster running on aw? he won an allowance race solely because of a hot pace set by Sinister Minister, then in four stakes he managed to float up for third in two of them, and didn't threaten in the other two.

i don't understand why you and others immediately resort to insults when you confront someone with a differing opinion.