Saturday Stakes BSF's

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

This crop will prove to not be as bad as everyone is making them out to be IMO. Some of these horses can run.

I'm not going to say that they are "slow" at this point.

Well at this point they are slow. So far in January, February and March, they have indeed been slow. That is not to say that one or a few of them may start running very fast in April and May and later on in the year, but right none of them are running "fast" so to speak. Even Big Brown's "fast" run was against turf horses off turf in mud...or something like that.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well at this point they are slow. So far in January, February and March, they have indeed been slow. That is not to say that one or a few of them may start running very fast in April and May and later on in the year, but right none of them are running "fast" so to speak. Even Big Brown's "fast" run was against turf horses off turf in mud...or something like that.

They aren't slow, and I tried to point that out. Just because the figs say they are slow does not mean that they are... Just because the Cali horses are going to take a huge jump in BSFS (like Sierra Sunset did) when they come East does not mean that they have improved.

So, like I said, how does El Gato Malo go from a 99 to an 85 when he runs his guts out in both races?

How does visionaire jump up to a 98 without switching leads while Pyro only got a 95 while beating Visionaire in the Risen Star. Does that mean that I should think that Pyro is slow and that Visionaire is the better horse?

If someone would answer these questions, maybe I would quit spewing the "nonsense" and think that these horses are "slow" too like the rest of you since the figures say so.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's painfully obvious who understands figs and who doesn't. I love the thought process of someone that doesn't understand them.

Well, please explain the logic behind the numbers then. I really don't understand. Never claimed to understand. In fact, I said I didn't understand the logic several times. Do BSFs not take pace into account?

[Payson Dave]

Without getting real specific....speed numbers sanitize actual finish time to adjust for (among other things) track condition, weather, distance, track to track differences.

They are part Art and part Science but they are definately more relavent than raw final time comparisons

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Without getting real specific....speed numbers sanitize actual finish time to adjust for (among other things) track condition, weather, distance, track to track differences.

They are part Art and part Science but they are definately more relavent than raw final time comparisons

Thank you for explaining this. So they don't take pace into account like I thought? If they don't, it explains a whole lot, and I really don't think that I am wrong to think that some of these horses aren't slow.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There isn't enough time in the day for me to explain this to you. And honestly, why should I? You have made no attempt to even try and understand how someone comes up with a figure. All you've really said is the figures are all wrong, because they disagree with you.

You seem to think this is not a slow group. That's fine, but again, you offer no reason why other than you disagree. Then you go on to use the figs in your arguement, but it all looks foolish, because you don't know what you are talking about. Do yourself a favor and read a book or something on how someone comes up with a speed figure. It'll help your understanding of them a lot more and you'll see why your arguement is pretty pointless right now.

In a nutshell, you don't know either right? I offered a lot of reasons to why I disagree. My argument was very logical. Pace makes the race, and since BSFs do not take pace into account...well.

Visionaire got a higher number in the Gotham than Pyro got in the Risen Star when Pyro is the superior animal. That speaks volumes in itself. Pyro should be in the 100+ range if he gets some pace to run at next out, which=not slow.

Sierra Sunset got a 99 when many of these horses will beat up on him. That speaks volumes about how talented this crop really is... I don't even know if that horse would be in my top 10 right now.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

... Pace makes the race, and since BSFs do not take pace into account...well...

Imho...Pace is an extremely important factor in handicapping a race...but in a discussion as to whether or not the current crop of 3yo's is currently relatively slower than years past, ...well a comparison of speed figures is the most valid means of forming an informed opinion....speed figures are certainly more relavent than how a horse visually appears to be running in a portion of any specific race..

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Imho...Pace is an extremely important factor in handicapping a race...but in a discussion as to whether or not the current crop of 3yo's is currently relatively slower than years past, ...well a comparison of speed figures is the most valid means of forming an informed opinion....speed figures are certainly more relavent than how a horse visually appears to be running in a portion of any specific race..

Well, we agree to disagree then, but I respect your opinion. I have been taught differently and have learned not to rely on speed figures for assessing talent in certain situations. Like I said, they are very useful sometimes. Sometimes they are dead on. I just think that some of these horses running are extremely talented right now despite the low BSFs becaue of the pace factor.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's painfully obvious who understands figs and who doesn't. I love the thought process of someone that doesn't understand them.

Can you use "painfully obvious," agenda" and "bad opinion" in the same sentence?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It's painfully obvious what an absurd agenda you have and your bad opinion cements your position as the biggest douche on the board.

Pretty good huh?

Give yourself a cookie. That was good.

Someday you might actually ball up and share your detailed thoughts on a race before it runs.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you need winners just ask Bruce. No need to play these games. I can't promise the same kind of success i've had so far this year, but hopefully it's close.

Good... hook a sista up.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What will you do for me?

Lose every dime you give me on Court Vision in the Derby.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I hope you are betting him to show.

Only if you insist.