War Pass --DB ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Still waiting for the 'counterexample'

in Commentator's ALW comeback, he ran his final quarter mile in 24.28 seconds - a full 0.20 seconds faster than War Pass ran his...and KYRIM will be pleased to note that Commentator was every bit as restrained through the lane.

The problem is, that while Commentator only ran 0.20 seconds faster than War Pass in the last quarter - Commentator ran his first six furlongs in 1:09.43 while War Pass ran his first six furlongs in 1:11.90.

So, basically, in similar allowance races against nothing fields - with similar trips over the same track and distance - Commentator ran 2.47 seconds faster for the first 6f's (about 15 lengths) - and still finished with a final quarter time 0.20 seconds faster than War Pass.

TFM, by making a big deal about the final quarter turned in by War Pass being faster than his 3rd quarter - you are basically in a way giving him credit for accelerating after a VERY soft 3rd quarter of 25.18 seconds. A breather!

If he couldn't do that ... he wouldn't even be a good allowance horse.

[the_fat_man]

I'm aware of Commentator's splits.

My SINGLULAR point still remains, however, as you didn't respond to it.

Surely there've been quite a few SOFT PACED miles at GP this year, why have there been NO OTHER examples where the winner accelerates the final quarter. I could be wrong here. Maybe some horse came off the pace and did exactly this.

I simply started this thread to see if someone with a DB could look this up.

I'm looking to throw WP out as a derby threat. All I need is ONE example.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

in Commentator's ALW comeback, he ran his final quarter mile in 24.28 seconds - a full 0.20 seconds faster than War Pass ran his...and KYRIM will be pleased to note that Commentator was every bit as restrained through the lane.

you mean pg1985....oh wait, my bad, same thing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

you mean pg1985....oh wait, my bad, same thing.

KYRIM's a fan of the belief that War Pass didn't get a big figure because he "wasn't all out" - while Commentator got his 119 Beyer under identical circumstances at the same distance and track and also "wasn't all out."

Or are you saying KYRIM and PG are the same person?

Thebby, if so, it's a happy day for men with Italian last names everywhere.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

KYRIM's a fan of the belief that War Pass didn't get a big figure because he "wasn't all out" - while Commentator got his 119 Beyer under identical circumstances at the same distance and track and also "wasn't all out."

Or are you saying KYRIM and PG are the same person?

Thebby, if so, it's a happy day for men with Italian last names everywhere.

Just by watching the horse's races over and over again and watching the horse's movement in the race, I would say that War Pass wasn't all out. The only thing I know for sure is that I have seen him run faster. I'll go watch it one more time just to make sure.

It is the same with Bernardini. Bernardini wasn't all out in the Jim Dandy, but was in all of his subsequent races after that.

Big Brown also looked like he wasn't all out in his last start. Whether he was actually restrained or it was the change in the surface, I don't know. I've also seen him run faster.

Their movement in the stretch dictates if they are running as fast as they can or not. You have to compare that from race to race to know in these kinds of situations.

And I am not pg1985.