Denis of Cork passing Rebel; Wood next

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

If these trianers cant tell when a horse is ready for a big effort maybe they should consider another line of work. No sheet, thorograph, or otherwise, should dictate a horse being ready. A trainer who has a clue should be able to tell when his horses are ready to run, or when they need a break.

However the propaganda which is often shoved at owners (often by racing managers looking to prove their value on the payroll) says that because Frankel then Pletcher have been so sucessful because they use not only the numbers but the theory behind the numbers. Of course the fact they are sharp trainers who have great horses has no bearing on the outcome...must be the sheets

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

However the propaganda which is often shoved at owners (often by racing managers looking to prove their value on the payroll) says that because Frankel then Pletcher have been so sucessful because they use not only the numbers but the theory behind the numbers. Of course the fact they are sharp trainers who have great horses has no bearing on the outcome...must be the sheets

Well said!! Racing managers.....joke

[The Bid]

I guess if there is a huge operation a racing manager is needed, but 90 percent of these guys dont need a "racing manager"

The Sheets and Thorographs have reached the point of being obscene. I never understood trainers claiming exclusively off a figure.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I guess if there is a huge operation a racing manager is needed, but 90 percent of these guys dont need a "racing manager"

The Sheets and Thorographs have reached the point of being obscene. I never understood trainers claiming exclusively off a figure.

In the era where there are a handful of trainers that have so many horses that they dont particualrly care if they make a bad claim, sheets are a a crutch to use in leiu of doing homework. Iwinski was a guy who I always respected not just because he won but because he was always out by the paddock at whatever track he was stabled at looking at the potential claims and making notes. Of course there are guys that still do this but usually they are smaller outfits that cant afford to make mistakes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Well said!! Racing managers.....joke

There are some pretty sharp guys that act in this role but usually they are the ones that the public doesnt hear about.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are some pretty sharp guys that act in this role but usually they are the ones that the public doesnt hear about.

Absolutely...