Remember This Statement By Crist

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's probably holding out for 70/1 as well.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's probably holding out for 70/1 as well.

Now, why would you worry about the price of something you think can't happen? I am only looking for 100-1 because he could start limping soon as I make the bet.I'm not sure he will stay healthy enough to make the race,and I probably can't get Solis off him.Anybody with Alex Solis on them in the Derby is deserving of 100-1 right? He will get him stuck,and somebody will ride theirs perfectly. For this idiot to actually win a derby,I do think 100-1 (right now) is about right.The guy gets virgin tight in this race.It's been a disaster from Snowchief on in to now.Gunna take an overwhelming effort to overcome this idiot being up.Can't we all agree on this? The horse is badly handicapped.Chantal would probably have a better shot.

[zippyneedsawin]

Here's what Haskins has to say about Yankee Bravo:


"Yankee Bravo, making his dirt debut, ran well enough late to get third, which will keep him firmly entrenched on the Derby trail. Still lightly raced with only four starts, and with a big closing kick, he is not one to be taken lightly."



http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44007

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Here's what Haskins has to say about Yankee Bravo:


"Yankee Bravo, making his dirt debut, ran well enough late to get third, which will keep him firmly entrenched on the Derby trail. Still lightly raced with only four starts, and with a big closing kick, he is not one to be taken lightly."





http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44007

Why you do that to me Zippy? Dat was ruthless.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Why you do that to me Zippy? Dat was ruthless.

I thought that would make you feel better. Do you feel insulted because you have a similar opinion as Haskins?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I thought that would make you feel better. Do you feel insulted because you have a similar opinion as Haskins?

No,but now all the sudden the horse goes from "he stinks" to "got as much chance as Charasmatic or War Emblem."


Anyways,how is it Haskins says the horse shouldn't be overlooked,and Crist says the horse isn't a legit derby contender? I think Crist is so interested in trying to come up with negatives for Pyro that he just got sloppy.It seems like these guys are so biased against horses who win on synthetic that they make some asinine assumptions that those horses can't run on dirt.He can run on dirt.He doesn't like it in his face,but he was full of run on the backstretch.He wouldn't let him run.That's what these geniuses are missing on the video.He keeps holding back a loaded gun,and expecting to get his perfect trip inside to outside.He didn't get it.Horses don't spread out at the top of the stretch(like at Anita.)So,he gets the horse stuck behind Pyro and a wall of others(and takes dirt in his face most of the stretch.)I don't know how that's a ride.These people don't expect much from jocks. They are very tolerant of timid weak rides,and all I can say is there is no way in hell Bejarano doesn't get a top 2 with Bravo in the Louisiana Derby...THIS IDIOT COST HIM A 2ND.It was just a weak feminine ride by Solis.The guy is 43 going on 60.If he doesn't have by far the best horse,then good luck.The reason he has done well the last 3 or 4 weeks at Anita is because he is lazy n' timid,and the track has played very well for that style of riding.

[Cannon Shell]

Yankee Bravo is currently listed at 6-1 in the Crown Royal American Turf future book at cannonshell.com. He is at 3-1 for the Derby in the "all other horses" category for the KY Derby. John Lackey is listed at an interesting 15-1 for 2008 Cy Young. Steve garvey is pegged at 1000000 to 1 for 2009 Hall of Fame induction.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No,but now all the sudden the horse goes from "he stinks" to "got as much chance as Charasmatic or War Emblem."


Anyways,how is it Haskins says the horse shouldn't be overlooked,and Crist says the horse isn't a legit derby contender? I think Crist is so interested in trying to come up with negatives for Pyro that he just got sloppy.It seems like these guys are so biased against horses who win on synthetic that they make some asinine assumptions that those horses can't run on dirt.He can run on dirt.He doesn't like it in his face,but he was full of run on the backstretch.He wouldn't let him run.That's what these geniuses are missing on the video.He keeps holding back a loaded gun,and expecting to get his perfect trip inside to outside.He didn't get it.Horses don't spread out at the top of the stretch(like at Anita.)So,he gets the horse stuck behind Pyro and a wall of others(and takes dirt in his face most of the stretch.)I don't know how that's a ride.These people don't expect much from jocks. They are very tolerant of timid weak rides,and all I can say is there is no way in hell Bejarano doesn't get a top 2 with Bravo in the Louisiana Derby...THIS IDIOT COST HIM A 2ND.It was just a weak feminine ride by Solis.The guy is 43 going on 60.If he doesn't have by far the best horse,then good luck.The reason he has done well the last 3 or 4 weeks at Anita is because he is lazy n' timid,and the track has played very well for that style of riding.

First, it's Haskin, not Haskins. (Sorry it's pet peeve of mine.) As to Crist and Haskin not seeing eye to eye on Yankee Bravo that is the name of the game. Betting on all racing would be pretty boring with out the difference of opinion. I don't see Crist as misleading anyone. He's writing his opinion of the colt, as is Haskin. (Of cours, I've rarely seen Haskin make any negative comments, so take tht with a grain of salt.) If Haskin still likes Bravo on Derby Day, I hope he gets his price.
I disagree that YB was "stuck" behind Pyro. He was behind Pyro but he couldn't keep up when Pyro went between horses. I don't watch Cali as much as I should so I wont speak to Solis' "typical" ride but I do agree that he should have been second here.

[Danzig]

all i want to know is....is scuds calling steve christ big mouth, or himself?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i want to know is....is scuds calling steve christ big mouth, or himself?

Well,I guess I would qualify as a big mouth,but, in this case,I am referring to Crist.As far as I am concerned,anybody who says that BRAVO isn't a legit Derby contender is running their mouth.He has never run a bad race.Never had the pace to close into(like he will get in the derby.)He has had just 2 races to get used to dirt or synthetic in his face,and was interested in both.
After winning the Cal Derby Solis said he is still just a baby,and is gunna get better.The guy is totally misleading people by saying that he isn't a legit derby contender.He has an idiot riding him.So,he probably has a low chance of taking it all,but, if he makes the race,then that horse is going to contend to win that derby.He is a racehorse.

[KY_Sasquash]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,I guess I would qualify as a big mouth,but, in this case,I am referring to Crist.As far as I am concerned,anybody who says that BRAVO isn't a legit Derby contender is running their mouth.He has never run a bad race.Never had the pace to close into(like he will get in the derby.)He has had just 2 races to get used to dirt or synthetic in his face,and was interested in both.
After winning the Cal Derby Solis said he is still just a baby,and is gunna get better.The guy is totally misleading people by saying that he isn't a legit derby contender.He has an idiot riding him.So,he probably has a low chance of taking it all,but, if he makes the race,then that horse is going to contend to win that derby.He is a racehorse.

Yankee Bravo has also never run a fast race and he couldn't catch my pal charlie, who broke his maiden in a $50k claiming race. At this point his best chance in the Derby is clunking up to hit the board like Jazil or Steppenwolfer.

I don't see how you can say Crist is misleading people. Its his opinion and if anything you should be happy that he doesn't like YB b/c you should get the juiciest of odds on YB on Derby day.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You guys and your anti Solis stuff is hilarious.

Oh really.We are going out of our way to go after this guy? Well,lets watch the race at Anita on Dec 29th,race 8. Now,please tell me(if this guy can ride) then why has he got this horse in such an awful position? Bravo bails him out.That doesn't mean it was a good ride.Means he made up for the handicap of having this fool ride him.

What about the premature move Feb 13th in race 8(on Street Boss.)This is a horse who is accustomed to making the lead mid stretch or later,and he asks him to protect the lead after making the lead on the turn.Meanwhile,Bejarano has the strength to control his horse nicely,and simply feasted on this guy's poor decision.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

March 2nd race 7 at Anita.See Solis ride #8 NERINX?...See him ride wide...See him ride even wider...great huh? He just continues tapping left-handed.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

scuds we all get it..you love yankee bravo hate solis and are phuckig nuts

thats it close this thread,, please

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Here's what Haskins has to say about Yankee Bravo:


"Yankee Bravo, making his dirt debut, ran well enough late to get third, which will keep him firmly entrenched on the Derby trail. Still lightly raced with only four starts, and with a big closing kick, he is not one to be taken lightly."



http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44007

That makes another member here with a poor opinion.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Now, why would you worry about the price of something you think can't happen?

You sound like a fine gentleman from Joisey I know, he and his family owned a horse that ran a fairly competitve 2nd to Holy Bull in the Haskell.

Anyway, whenever I tell him a horse he thinks is really clever has no shot or is impossible - I always get the macho tough talk, followed by him asking for odds on a prop that is out of touch with reality from a fair market price standpoint.

I personally think Yankee Bravo has a less than 1% chance of winning the Derby. However, I would have said the same thing with horses like Charismatic (off of a 3rd place finish in the El Camino Real Derby) or War Emblem (off of a 5th place finish in either the Risen Star or Lousianna Derby) at or around 8 weeks remaining the years they won the Derby.

However, I can assure you both Charismatic and War Emblem were triple digit odds at any vegas future book.

Yankee Bravo closed at 41/1 in the pool 2 futures - and he's between 30/1 and 50/1 in Vegas future books.

Even though I think he's less than 1% to win the Derby, I want no part of risking 4K worth of liability to win a measly $40... even from you!...or guys like my Joisey friend.

However, if you want action that badly, you can always PM me and perhaps we could hammer out a price more in line with what a horse like Yankee Bravo might trade at in a betting exchange market.

As for Steve Crist being a big mouth - both he and his wife beat me at putt-putt and neither gloated about there victory. He didn't exactly strike me as a big talker.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

As for Steve Crist being a big mouth - both he and his wife beat me at putt-putt and neither gloated about there victory. He didn't exactly strike me as a big talker.

I thought Steve finished last?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He beat me....though only because you guys counted penalty strokes.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You sound like a fine gentleman from Joisey I know, he and his family owned a horse that ran a fairly competitve 2nd to Holy Bull in the Haskell.

Anyway, whenever I tell him a horse he thinks is really clever has no shot or is impossible - I always get the macho tough talk, followed by him asking for odds on a prop that is out of touch with reality from a fair market price standpoint.

LOL-Well maybe you should stop bullshitting about the chances you think horses have at winning.You told me a horse stinks.You told this guy that a horse has no shot, or is impossible .That's a pretty strong statement,and it's also a macho lie of some sort,because you aren't ready to back the statement up by taking a bet unless it's at some fair market price. You wouldn't be that concerned about price if you really believed these lies you're telling.Why are you blaming others when you are the one understating the chances you think a horse actually has to win?If you think a horse stinks,has no shot,or is impossible ,then people are naturally going to want to bet you.The problem is you lie about the chances you think horses have.That's on you.Don't say it if you don't really believe it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think there's a 50% chance that DrugS ignores that post, a 40% chance he makes mincemeat of you and a 10% chance he admits he was wrong and apologizes.