How Many Points

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Kobe is the MVP right now.
Hands down.

And King your are going stats on us
again. Kobe hits the jumper. Again
and again and again. Lebron?

Lebron is horribly inconsistent.
Lebron's game is bull to the basket
and dish or dunk. His mid-range game
is not even close to Kobe's.
His 3 game is a laugher. Kobe has no
weakness offensively (dribbles a little much
but they dont have a legit PG like other good teams
in the West)

And Kobe is a much better defender.

Its Kobe and it aint close.

I honestly don't think you've ever watched the guy play outside of the NBA finals last year.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I honestly don't think you've ever watched the guy play outside of the NBA finals last year.

Nahhh.
Cleveland is never on National TV.
Lebron just aint a draw...

Lebron's offensive game is built soley
on his athleticism. I have never seen
as good an athlete in BBall as Lebron.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Nahhh.
Cleveland is never on National TV.
Lebron just aint a draw...

Lebron's offensive game is built soley
on his athleticism. I have never seen
as good an athlete in BBall as Lebron.

Again, the bolded part makes me seriously question if you've ever actually seen him play. OF course, his athleticism certainly doesn't hurt his game. He's a very smart player however who in all honesty works to get better and has every year. He has been ludicrously consistent this year night in and night out. Every player in the game bricks it now and then as does he...but this guy...very rarely.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Again, the bolded part makes me seriously question if you've ever actually seen him play. OF course, his athleticism certainly doesn't hurt his game. He's a very smart player however who in all honesty works to get better and has every year. He has been ludicrously consistent this year night in and night out. Every player in the game bricks it now and then as does he...but this guy...very rarely.

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

He always works on his shooting. My guess is he will never in his entire career be as good a pure shooter as Kobe...but he is not as far as people think...(nor is he nearly as bad a shooter as some think.) I'm not sure what his issues are shooting free throws either...he's not a disgrace doing it, but nowhere near where a premiere player should be. I'm obviously biased, but I think his overall court presence is better than Kobe and his passing is better than Kobe. Kobe is a good passer, but not as good as LeBron.

I'm fine with Kobe winning MVP. He is certainly not undeserving in any way. He plays a rougher schedule than LeBron which has to be factored into the equation as well. That being said however, the Cavs do have road wins in San Antonio, Dallas and LA this year.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

He always works on his shooting. My guess is he will never in his entire career be as good a pure shooter as Kobe...but he is not as far as people think...(nor is he nearly as bad a shooter as some think.) I'm not sure what his issues are shooting free throws either...he's not a disgrace doing it, but nowhere near where a premiere player should be. I'm obviously biased, but I think his overall court presence is better than Kobe and his passing is better than Kobe. Kobe is a good passer, but not as good as LeBron.

I'm fine with Kobe winning MVP. He is certainly not undeserving in any way. He plays a rougher schedule than LeBron which has to be factored into the equation as well. That being said however, the Cavs do have road wins in San Antonio, Dallas and LA this year.

They beat SA both regular season games
last year. I like the Cavs. I like Lebron.
I have to with all the San Antonio connections
on the coaching staff. Those are very decent fellows.
I really wish the Spurs had the curly head man for defense
and energy.

Kobe is the MVP though.
I just dont see how it cant be.
I will even wager Mr. Cannon.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They beat SA both regular season games
last year. I like the Cavs. I like Lebron.
I have to with all the San Antonio connections
on the coaching staff. Those are very decent fellows.
I really wish the Spurs had the curly head man for defense
and energy.

Kobe is the MVP though.
I just dont see how it cant be.
I will even wager Mr. Cannon.

Without the Gasol trade, Kobe is not even in the top 5. That is why awards voted on by writers are a joke. Kobe had a better year last year yet all of a sudden he is the MVP? He is not even the MVP of the West. That would be Chris Paul.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

My friend.
Lebron is a decent shooter at this point in his
career and thats the truth.

His work near the basket, especially when going to the
basket, is nothing short of amazing and that suckers
many fans, even Cleveland fans.

He has a lot more work to do on shooting to get close
to Kobe.

I really like Lebron as a player, and the little I know
about him as a person. The NBA is very lucky to have him.
He clearly wants to get better and he will. For a guy as
young as he is, his basketball IQ is advanced imo.

Well when you just see highlights on ESPN that is all they show. For a guy that occasionally forces his jumper and at times has been the only viable offensive option on the court almost shooting 49% is pretty good.

Kobe is a streak shooter, always has been, always will be. When he is hot he can be unstoppable from just about anywhere. But he will throw a 10 for 28 at you, hence the 45% from the field. He is also not a great 3 point shooter. He is as was pointed out excellent from the line.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well when you just see highlights on ESPN that is all they show. For a guy that occasionally forces his jumper and at times has been the only viable offensive option on the court almost shooting 49% is pretty good.

Kobe is a streak shooter, always has been, always will be. When he is hot he can be unstoppable from just about anywhere. But he will throw a 10 for 28 at you, hence the 45% from the field. He is also not a great 3 point shooter. He is as was pointed out excellent from the line.

Lebron should be shooting over 50%. If he did not force his
jumper and then just flat out miss his jumper, He would be shooting
over 50%. If Lebron shot as many outside shots as Kobe he would
be shooting under 40%.
YOu are telling me Lebron is a better outside shooter
than Kobe? No way, no how.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lebron should be shooting over 50%. If he did not force his
jumper and then just flat out miss his jumper, He would be shooting
over 50%. If Lebron shot as many outside shots as Kobe he would
be shooting under 40%.
YOu are telling me Lebron is a better outside shooter
than Kobe? No way, no how.

No one said that he was a better outside shooter than Kobe but the difference is not that great and is shrinking. his shot selection is better than Kobe's (not that that is saying much). Lebron does take a lot of outside shots, of course if you watched the games you would know this.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Lebron's offensive game is built soley
on his athleticism. I have never seen
as good an athlete in BBall as Lebron.

And Kobe is just smart? Not an athlete? That Jordan guy was a pretty good athlete by the way. Not a very good baseball player but pretty athletic.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And Kobe is just smart? Not an athlete? That Jordan guy was a pretty good athlete by the way. Not a very good baseball player but pretty athletic.

Kobe is the 2nd best athlete in the league.
And Kobe is smarter than Lebron for one reason.
He has played longer. Thats it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Kobe is the 2nd best athlete in the league.
And Kobe is smarter than Lebron for one reason.
He has played longer. Thats it.

LeBron James is a much smarter player than Kobe Bryant. Regardless of experience. Ricky Davis has played longer too...

[horseofcourse]

Career 3 point percentages...Kobe 33.8, LeBron 32.2 (yeah real laugher there.)

Career field goal...Kobe 45.4 LeBron 46.6

The only singular thing Kobe does significantly better than LeBron is shoot free throws. And his mid range jumper is better at this point.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Career 3 point percentages...Kobe 33.8, LeBron 32.2 (yeah real laugher there.)

Career field goal...Kobe 45.4 LeBron 46.6

The only singular thing Kobe does significantly better than LeBron is shoot free throws. And his mid range jumper is better at this point.

We are talking about this year Horse.
Way to go Career to make it fit.


And the only reason Lebrons FG % is below 50% (which it should not be),
is because he shoots jump shots and tries 3's.

Do you honestly think Lebron is as good a jump shooter
or 3 point shooter THIS YEAR as Kobe? I know you dont.
And if you do, you only watch Cleveland.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

We are talking about this year Horse.
Way to go Career to make it fit.


And the only reason Lebrons FG % is below 50% (which it should not be),
is because he shoots jump shots and tries 3's.

Do you honestly think Lebron is as good a jump shooter
or 3 point shooter THIS YEAR as Kobe? I know you dont.
And if you do, you only watch Cleveland.

No he isn't as good a jump shooter as Kobe...nor is he as good a 3 pot shooter as Kapono...I take LeBron over Kapono however. He isn't as good a shot blocker as Mutombo, but I'd still take him over Mutombo as MVP, just as I'd take him over Kobe as MVP. I don't think his 31 percent is actually a horrible 3 pt percentage for LeBron in the grand scheme of things. And I would venture to also say in the 4th quarter, LeBron is just as good a shooter as Kobe. Look at their 4th quarter numbers as a team...look at his individually...look at the fact the Cavs are actually getting outscored as a team this year and then look at their record...look at their record with LeBron on the floor. It's all right there. 82 for 263 for LeBron///102 for 295 for Kobe..yeah Kobe is a better 3 point shooter this year...35 to 31 percent. I guess that's significant?? I am of the opinion that LeBron is a pretty good defensive player as well.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

No he isn't as good a jump shooter as Kobe...nor is he as good a 3 pot shooter as Kapono...I take LeBron over Kapono however. He isn't as good a shot blocker as Mutombo, but I'd still take him over Mutombo as MVP, just as I'd take him over Kobe as MVP. I don't think his 31 percent is actually a horrible 3 pt percentage for LeBron in the grand scheme of things. And I would venture to also say in the 4th quarter, LeBron is just as good a shooter as Kobe. Look at their 4th quarter numbers as a team...look at his individually...look at the fact the Cavs are actually getting outscored as a team this year and then look at their record...look at their record with LeBron on the floor. It's all right there. 82 for 263 for LeBron///102 for 295 for Kobe..yeah Kobe is a better 3 point shooter this year...35 to 31 percent. I guess that's significant?? I am of the opinion that LeBron is a pretty good defensive player as well.

Actually making 20 more 3 pointers is significant.

Kapono? I will throw in 4 more off of one team.
Ginobili, Bowen, Barry, Finely... and I have not looked
up any of their stats from three.

Lebron is a pretty good defensive player.
But he saves the hard work for offense.
Which is understandable.