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Old 03-05-2008, 09:49 AM
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Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.
yeah i didn't get that logic either. the Count Fleet was not as good a field, yet Giant Moon is better than what ran in the FOY? huh?
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Old 03-05-2008, 10:33 AM
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You really can't understand how that happens? One horse does not make a field great. The field that Curlin beat in his maiden race at Gulfstream was not better than the Florida Derby field was but Curlin was still better than what ran in the Florida Derby wasn't he?

Curlin won by 17 lengths in a very fast time. Giant Moon beat Spanky Fishbein with the benefit of race dynamics working in his favor.

Nice analogy.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:13 PM
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You really can't understand how that happens? One horse does not make a field great. The field that Curlin beat in his maiden race at Gulfstream was not better than the Florida Derby field was but Curlin was still better than what ran in the Florida Derby wasn't he?
The one horse you are talking about barely showed he was better than than a field you are calling weaker than the FOY despite having a favorable set-up. you make no sense sometimes. you would have a point if Giant Moon had to overcome adversity and still won decisively. it was not clear that he was much better than Spank Fischbein.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:31 PM
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barbero looked fantastic in his preps..........all of them ..im just hoping g moon may have gotten better .
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:03 PM
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g m is no efields ..period
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:19 PM
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Whatever man, I don't have the energy to argue little things with you. I realize that you have a need for people to know what your opinion is, but when you continously contradict yourself and make no sense it gets to be tiresome. We all know you think outside the box, we get it. Just as we all know that for all your bark, there is little to no substance to it. I'm not trying to be cruel, I'm just giving my opinion.
Those two comments strike me as funny. I have a need for people to know my opinions huh? Isn't that what everyone on this board is doing? Giving their opinions. I have a need to have people know my opinions on horses but u feel the need to give your opinion on me. Interesting.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:20 PM
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I was being ironic.
Of course. Good day.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:48 PM
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Eight Belles is the best 3 yr old I've seen this year. Not a Derby horse, but I've seen noone run better than her this year.
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Old 03-05-2008, 04:56 PM
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Eight Belles is the best 3 yr old I've seen this year. Not a Derby horse, but I've seen noone run better than her this year.
I assume you are joking.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:04 PM
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I assume you are joking.
No, I'm dead serious on this. I've seen no one run better than her this year. IF Denis of Cork is highly thought of...I saw her run the same distance at the same track on an off track the day before completely 100 percent under wraps through the stretch getting the same Beyer as DOC. She does have the highest two turn 3 yr old Beyer this year. I realize Beyers are meaningless to some extent. I saw her two races. In my opinion she's better than anything I've seen this year. Other than War Pass who is obvious...of all the 3 year olds I think she is the one with the best chance outside him to be "special". I'm most likely wrong...but that's ok. I like her running style..she appears to be adaptable...can come off the pace...can rate just off. Seems to be well schooled. After watching all her two year old races when she appeared to be tough to handle and never changed leads in the stretch...it appears she now "gets it". Two extremely efficient races starting off her 3 yr old year.

No...not joking one iota.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:19 PM
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I assume you are joking.
I'm starting to think it's more like

1.) Indian Blessing
2-10.) Also Rans
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