Top Ten 2008 3 year olds

[eajinabi]

My top 2 are Barrier Reef and Roman Commander

[Travis Stone]

I think there are only two horses that would appear on every single Top 10 list right now. That's the way this crop looks.

[Travis Stone]

Maybe the better question is how many horses have looked as good as War Pass or Pyro? Other than their two performances, every other race has been a big ?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Maybe the better question is how many horses have looked as good as War Pass or Pyro? Other than their two performances, every other race has been a big ?

Exactly the way that I feel. There are about 25-30 interchangeable horses for the rest of the list.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If I went 10 deep, I'd put Giant Moon on it. Certainly above horses like Cool Coal Man, Elysium Fields, and Hey Byrn. Or any of the Z horses.

you think the count fleet was a better field/race then the fountain of youth? or do you give a lot of weight to winning ny-bred restricted stakes? giant moon may turn out to be something, but i think he needs to wade into deeper waters and show something.

[ArlJim78]

Giant Moon would have been trounced in the FOY.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Giant Moon would have been trounced in the FOY.

Yup.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

No, I don't think that the Count Fleet was a better field than the FOY. I do think that Giant Moon is a better horse than what was in the FOY. I agree that he does need to wade into deeper waters as you say but I think that the others do too. So far, every race has been a shallow one.

Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Really? Based on what.....because you didn't like the FOY field going into the race? Because your jaw dropped when Giant Moon was able to overcome Spanky Fishbein in a stretch duel?

Honestly, I'm trying to get the logic. The Count Fleet field wasn't a better field than the FOY ( which Stevie Wonder could see by the way ) but you think Giant Moon, who had race dynamics in his favor, is better than what was in the FOY? Methinks you are sticking stubbornly to a mediocre preconceived notion about the FOY, one that you thought was justified by the incorrect original times, and are now refusing to acknowledge that the first two finishers ( at least ) ran a decent race. You so want to believe this that you are willing to pretend that a horse that has never run nearly as well as the first two in that race is actually a better horse.

Not a recipe for success at the racetrack. In fact, it's the opposite. We're all wrong a lot going into races....but those that refuse to acknowledge it after races are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Giant Moon is a nice horse. I don't think those that are buying into his confusing hype around here are really even that familiar with his pps.

yeah i didn't get that logic either. the Count Fleet was not as good a field, yet Giant Moon is better than what ran in the FOY? huh?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You really can't understand how that happens? One horse does not make a field great. The field that Curlin beat in his maiden race at Gulfstream was not better than the Florida Derby field was but Curlin was still better than what ran in the Florida Derby wasn't he?

Curlin won by 17 lengths in a very fast time. Giant Moon beat Spanky Fishbein with the benefit of race dynamics working in his favor.

Nice analogy.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You really can't understand how that happens? One horse does not make a field great. The field that Curlin beat in his maiden race at Gulfstream was not better than the Florida Derby field was but Curlin was still better than what ran in the Florida Derby wasn't he?

The one horse you are talking about barely showed he was better than than a field you are calling weaker than the FOY despite having a favorable set-up. you make no sense sometimes. you would have a point if Giant Moon had to overcome adversity and still won decisively. it was not clear that he was much better than Spank Fischbein.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

barbero looked fantastic in his preps..........all of them ..im just hoping g moon may have gotten better .

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

g m is no efields ..period

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Whatever man, I don't have the energy to argue little things with you. I realize that you have a need for people to know what your opinion is, but when you continously contradict yourself and make no sense it gets to be tiresome. We all know you think outside the box, we get it. Just as we all know that for all your bark, there is little to no substance to it. I'm not trying to be cruel, I'm just giving my opinion.

Those two comments strike me as funny. I have a need for people to know my opinions huh? Isn't that what everyone on this board is doing? Giving their opinions. I have a need to have people know my opinions on horses but u feel the need to give your opinion on me. Interesting.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was being ironic.

Of course. Good day.