3/8 (FG): LA Derby Day (6 Stakes)

[ArlJim78]

this looks like a nice card that I can't wait to play. I hope its fast and firm.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this looks like a nice card that I can't wait to play. I hope its fast and firm.

That's what she said!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

this looks like a nice card that I can't wait to play. I hope its fast and firm.

With the exception of the Oaks, it's a brilliant card of stakes. I think the Kenner is going to be an explosive race.

[ateamstupid]

LA Derby looks very good. FG Oaks..

[FGFan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LA Derby looks very good. FG Oaks..

Yup very disappointing, not like there aren't a whole bunch of 3 yr. old fillies already here.
Rest of the card is just wonderful though. Going to be a really fun day.

Here's the forecast.....

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What am I missing here? Who's going to be giving Pyro the test? Tale of Ekati maybe, but this is a strange place to begin your 3 year old year. It feels like Tagg is being pressured to get this one in the gate for the Derby.

without the PPs.. I would guess Majestic Warrior. Just guessing

[The Indomitable DrugS]

What the hell is Pletcher doing with A. P. Arrow?

He would have been 1/5 in that lousy Grade 2 350K field at GP last week .. he entered Fairbanks instead!

Now, A. P. Arrow has two nice works into him since his close 2nd to Spring At Last in the Donn Handicap - instead of entering him in this weeks Gr 2 $500K dirt race at nine furlongs - he decides to enter the lousy tag team of Circular Quay and Magna Graduate.

Keep in mind, Magna Graduate was nominated to the Gr 3 Razorback at Oaklawn Park - a prep for the Oaklawn Park Handicap...which seemed like a highly logical route for MG to take.

A. P. Arrow not entering very logical spots two weeks in a row seems like a pretty big tipoff that Pletcher intends to run him in the Dubai World Cup.

When you only have one halfway decent older male dirt router - and no 3yo to take his place - why take him half way around the world to a race he has no shot in hell of winning?

I realize 2nd place in the World Cup pays $1.2 million and A. P. Arrow isn't a synthetic horse so his BC Classic hopes are nill - but, he's also FAR from a sure thing to run 2nd in Dubai ... and Pletcher is really going to miss him in these yearlong dirt routes in his empty division.

With the picture as it stands now, to me, running A. P. Arrow in Dubai looks almost as silly as not running Rags To Riches in the Belmont looked leading up to that race. If you remember, it had to take a Street Sense defection for him to run her!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What the hell is Pletcher doing with A. P. Arrow?

He would have been 1/5 in that lousy Grade 2 350K field at GP last week .. he entered Fairbanks instead!

Now, A. P. Arrow has two nice works into him since his close 2nd to Spring At Last in the Donn Handicap - instead of entering him in this weeks Gr 2 $500K dirt race at nine furlongs - he decides to enter the lousy tag team of Circular Quay and Magna Graduate.

Keep in mind, Magna Graduate was nominated to the Gr 3 Razorback at Oaklawn Park - a prep for the Oaklawn Park Handicap...which seemed like a highly logical route for MG to take.

A. P. Arrow not entering very logical spots two weeks in a row seems like a pretty big tipoff that Pletcher intends to run him in the Dubai World Cup.

When you only have one halfway decent older male dirt router - and no 3yo to take his place - why take him half way around the world to a race he has no shot in hell of winning?

I realize 2nd place in the World Cup pays $1.2 million and A. P. Arrow isn't a synthetic horse so his BC Classic hopes are nill - but, he's also FAR from a sure thing to run 2nd in Dubai ... and Pletcher is really going to miss him in these yearlong dirt routes in his empty division.

With the picture as it stands now, to me, running A. P. Arrow in Dubai looks almost as silly as not running Rags To Riches in the Belmont looked leading up to that race. If you remember, it had to take a Street Sense defection for him to run her!

He's sure as hell no less of likely to run 2nd or 3rd in Dubai as is would have been to win the GP Hcp or would be to win the FG race.

Besides Spring at Last and Daaher, AP Arrow is the only horse in that race that got the trip he wanted. And that was the way the race figured. He was no sure thing to beat Fairbainks on Saturday, much less the winner.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What the hell is Pletcher doing with A. P. Arrow?

He would have been 1/5 in that lousy Grade 2 350K field at GP last week .. he entered Fairbanks instead!

Now, A. P. Arrow has two nice works into him since his close 2nd to Spring At Last in the Donn Handicap - instead of entering him in this weeks Gr 2 $500K dirt race at nine furlongs - he decides to enter the lousy tag team of Circular Quay and Magna Graduate.

Keep in mind, Magna Graduate was nominated to the Gr 3 Razorback at Oaklawn Park - a prep for the Oaklawn Park Handicap...which seemed like a highly logical route for MG to take.

A. P. Arrow not entering very logical spots two weeks in a row seems like a pretty big tipoff that Pletcher intends to run him in the Dubai World Cup.

When you only have one halfway decent older male dirt router - and no 3yo to take his place - why take him half way around the world to a race he has no shot in hell of winning?

I realize 2nd place in the World Cup pays $1.2 million and A. P. Arrow isn't a synthetic horse so his BC Classic hopes are nill - but, he's also FAR from a sure thing to run 2nd in Dubai ... and Pletcher is really going to miss him in these yearlong dirt routes in his empty division.

With the picture as it stands now, to me, running A. P. Arrow in Dubai looks almost as silly as not running Rags To Riches in the Belmont looked leading up to that race. If you remember, it had to take a Street Sense defection for him to run her!

drugs do you think curlin is a lock?

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

without the PPs.. I would guess Majestic Warrior. Just guessing

i would guess j be k is going to run good, especially with kent

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

i would guess j be k is going to run good, especially with kent

He may run well ( though I highly doubt it ).....but he can't run good.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What am I missing here? Who's going to be giving Pyro the test? Tale of Ekati maybe, but this is a strange place to begin your 3 year old year. It feels like Tagg is being pressured to get this one in the gate for the Derby.

I think ToK (and I guess maybe Majestic Warrior) are the only horses that might even have any chance of beating Pyro here.
This could be a good betting race because of Yankee Bravo being entered. Any race that includes an undefeated, stakes-winning horse that has absolutley zero chance to win usually means there is some money to pick up elsewhere. If Pyro is somehow not odds-on here, I think it will be incredibly easy money.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I think ToK (and I guess maybe Majestic Warrior) are the only horses that might even have any chance of beating Pyro here.
This could be a good betting race because of Yankee Bravo being entered. Any race that includes an undefeated, stakes-winning horse that has absolutley zero chance to win usually means there is some money to pick up elsewhere. If Pyro is somehow not odds-on here, I think it will be incredibly easy money.

i hope alot of people think yankee bravo has no chance......

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i hope alot of people think yankee bravo has no chance......

No chance is maybe a little much but he is probably about as unlikely a competitor as exists in this race.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i hope alot of people think yankee bravo has no chance......

They should.

In the California Derby his time for the 8.5 furlongs was 1:44.57. The other race run at that distance at GG that day was won by a rather average n2x horse entered for a tag in 1:44.18 (and that one was carrying more weight than Yankee Bravo).
Neither his pedigree nor his runing style at all indicate that he will enjoy the switch to dirt.
As far as I am concerned, he would be an absolute shocker in this race.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No he started in the Holy Bull before the LA Derby.

He had a brutal trip in the Holy Bull - hung very wide on both turns.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He had a brutal trip in the Holy Bull - hung very wide on both turns.

started from post 13 in the HB. had a rough trip in the La Derby, too, and only got beat 3-4 lengths by a very good horse (Peace Rules).

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

She'll lose eventually. I just don't think it's Saturday. Obviously there is no pace, which helps IB out a ton, but I also think she's that much better than Proud Spell.

I agree. I'm hoping she's undefeated heading into the Ky Oaks, where I will UNLOAD against her. The Churchill stretch will cause her to drop anchor and another bomb will win.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by philcski

I agree. I'm hoping she's undefeated heading into the Ky Oaks, where I will UNLOAD against her. The Churchill stretch will cause her to drop anchor and another bomb will win.

Even if she runs 2nd here they will bet the **** out of her at Churchill

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by philcski

I agree. I'm hoping she's undefeated heading into the Ky Oaks, where I will UNLOAD against her. The Churchill stretch will cause her to drop anchor and another bomb will win.

I'd be more than happy to see that happen, too. She should win again on Saturday which just moves it one step closer to her being unbeaten and insanely bet on Oaks day.

She's definitely not my favorite.

[Scav]

Who cares about the LA Derby. What about all the money they are going to be handing out when Solis ****s Daytona up. I can almost guarantee that Solis is going to try and rate him, and he wants none of that. People are going to unload because of how good that victory looked but I would toss him out of the 1st two slots.

Where is Smith on Saturday that he isn't riding Daytona? El Camino Derby? I am not sure what is at SA this weekend, can't be much with Big Cap last weekend