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Old 02-28-2008, 08:51 PM
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I know he just misses the year range but there were few 3 year olds that were as good as this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MRD9QutB8
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Old 02-29-2008, 04:55 AM
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I know he just misses the year range but there were few 3 year olds that were as good as this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MRD9QutB8
I'm still waiting for Eternal Prince to soften him up....

The video on this one is very poor but it shows the heart this horse had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuYas-bB2iY

I'd love to see a video of the 85 Monmouth Handicap, to this day the most impressive performance I've seen by a confirmed frontrunner.

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Old 02-29-2008, 09:47 PM
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I can't believe that some people have listed Europeans, even made a list exclusively of Euros and Lammtarra wasn't on it. Amazing.
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Old 02-29-2008, 09:59 PM
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I can't believe that some people have listed Europeans, even made a list exclusively of Euros and Lammtarra wasn't on it. Amazing.
4 starts.
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Old 02-29-2008, 10:35 PM
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4 starts.
So what. Would it have been better if he had six more starts in 1995 and lost them all? If a 3yo wins the Derby, King George, and Arc, but lost the 2000 Guineas, Irish Derby, and the Juddmonte International, he's had an exceptional year. If an American horse broke his maiden in October then won the Kentucky Derby, Hollywood Gold Cup, and BC Classic, nobody would doubt how good that horse was. Greatness can be seen in one start. Gayle Sayers didn't need to play more than one season for people to know how good he was. People really need to get over this thing about number of starts. I suppose that if an American horse misses all of the preps but then makes his 3yo debut in the Kentucky Derby and wins the TC and retires, he's not great because he only made three starts? That's foolish.
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Old 02-29-2008, 10:53 PM
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So what. Would it have been better if he had six more starts in 1995 and lost them all? If a 3yo wins the Derby, King George, and Arc, but lost the 2000 Guineas, Irish Derby, and the Juddmonte International, he's had an exceptional year. If an American horse broke his maiden in October then won the Kentucky Derby, Hollywood Gold Cup, and BC Classic, nobody would doubt how good that horse was. Greatness can be seen in one start. Gayle Sayers didn't need to play more than one season for people to know how good he was. People really need to get over this thing about number of starts. I suppose that if an American horse misses all of the preps but then makes his 3yo debut in the Kentucky Derby and wins the TC and retires, he's not great because he only made three starts? That's foolish.
you can see a great performance in one start. but not necessarily a great horse.
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Old 02-29-2008, 11:04 PM
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you can see a great performance in one start. but not necessarily a great horse.
If you see three great performances in the three toughest races on the continent, that still can't be enough? I mean, the horse layed off from October to June and then won the Epsom Derby in course record time in his second career race. That alone would have been enough to let me know. But then to top it off with the King George and Arc wins, over older horses in two of the premier races in the world was icing.
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Old 02-29-2008, 11:07 PM
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So what. Would it have been better if he had six more starts in 1995 and lost them all? If a 3yo wins the Derby, King George, and Arc, but lost the 2000 Guineas, Irish Derby, and the Juddmonte International, he's had an exceptional year. If an American horse broke his maiden in October then won the Kentucky Derby, Hollywood Gold Cup, and BC Classic, nobody would doubt how good that horse was. Greatness can be seen in one start. Gayle Sayers didn't need to play more than one season for people to know how good he was. People really need to get over this thing about number of starts. I suppose that if an American horse misses all of the preps but then makes his 3yo debut in the Kentucky Derby and wins the TC and retires, he's not great because he only made three starts? That's foolish.
I have attended European sales on a regular basis the last few years, have a number of contacts over there and know quite a few euro types over here and with the exception of you, no one thinks this was some kind of superhorse.
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proving my ignorance here...but Batagglia used to call the KY Derby???


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Yes... even the great ones have to step aside though. He has done enough
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This is your winner

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Dave Johnson had a nice line in there...

"Holy Bull is a champion.. there he is.. and you'll never forget him"
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