Freshman Sires

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Delusional? Because I disagree with a trainer and someone else about horses' movement...well, I don't know what she does...foaling and prepping yearlings or something?

uh, no...but that's what I used to do. And trust me it would serve you well to see them BEFORE they turn 2.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

uh, no...but that's what I used to do. And trust me it would serve you well to see them BEFORE they turn 2.

Why? Explain please. Are you a vet now?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Why? Explain please. Are you a vet now?

dont you know..she is charlotte webber of live oak..duh

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Why? Explain please. Are you a vet now?

by the time you see them at 2 they have undergone more changes...both natural and unnatural than you can imagine.

for example: a foal born so crooked he could hardly walk, and was by far the ungliest thing I have ever seen....had some surgical intervention, and grew up...and looked good enough that he became Cecil Seaman's (look him up if you don't know who he is and want to know his theories) pick of the sale....that horse has done exactly zero on the track.

and no I'm not a vet, it's not a profession I ever wanted to enter.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

by the time you see them at 2 they have undergone more changes...both natural and unnatural than you can imagine.

for example: a foal born so crooked he could hardly walk, and was by far the ungliest thing I have ever seen....had some surgical intervention, and grew up...and looked good enough that he became Cecil Seaman's (look him up if you don't know who he is and want to know his theories) pick of the sale....that horse has done exactly zero on the track.

and no I'm not a vet, it's not a profession I ever wanted to enter.

Was it at a yearling or a two year old sale that Cecil Seaman said that about?

Usually, if the horse moves nice, has a good workout, has clean x-rays, good conformation, walks sound on the day after the preview, isn't swollen or puffy the day after the preview, and doesn't have any abnormalities after feeling on their legs then the horse will usually make it to the races.

I've seen plenty of horses in my line of work change dramatically. We had a horse by Romantico that had awfully crooked legs as a foal, and they straightened out pretty nicely as he grew up without surgical intervention. Of course, he is still not nearly as straight as we would like him to be.

Cecil Seaman is good. I wish that I knew this HIP # that you were referring to because curiosity has me now.

The key is to go and view the horses after the day after the horse's have their two year old previews. I don't know why more trainers don't do this. I just remember seeing Todd Pletcher, Ron Ellis, Eion Harty, and a few more at Barrett's March Sale last year pulling out horses to view the day after the previews. If you don't do this, the consigners can hide puffy ankles or soundness issues easily by the time the horses enter the sales ring. Even less trainers actually feel on the horses legs the day after the previews, and you can nix some horses pretty quickly because you can feel things that you can't necessarily see that are abnormal but won't show up in the x-rays.

I would be curious to see what one of the trainers that feels on the horses legs and views the horses the day after the previews thought about the horse that you are referring to for that reason because I don't know if Cecil Seaman or his people do that.

Thanks for the story though. I will read up on Cecil Seaman now, and I had no idea who he was.

[paisjpq]

he's a joke to most...but also an "expert" who got fooled, because he was only looking at the picture in front of him and didn't consider how it got that way.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

he's a joke to most...but also an "expert" who got fooled, because he was only looking at the picture in front of him and didn't consider how it got that way.

Oh, well if he's a joke to most then his opinion doesn't really matter. I just saw that he had picked out 96 GI winners, so I was basing that statement on that. I don't know anything about him.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Why? Explain please. Are you a vet now?

No she is a mid wife...lol

[Payson Dave]

Jessica, you do realize don't cha that you are making claims to be able to do things that the best people in the business more often than not get wrong ....watching workout videos from the 2YO in training sales might help with a small piece of a pretty big puzzle....but even the best and most experienced sets of eyes need lady luck on their side.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

oh god matt..lmfao

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

Blew the Pick-6 loot already?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Blew the Pick-6 loot already?

this guy i know picked him out after he took his first step..

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

Must have been a LOOOOONG nose...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

holy ****.
post of the day.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...o-g151222.html

we picked this one out from the mexicali freak show under tack sale
he breezed 1f in 17.5 and won by nose first out..

lmao

i just want to thank everyone involved with this thread for some really, really good laughs. i came home for lunch, and the hilarity had already started--and has grown in leaps and bounds since forcing myself away to go back to work.

by all means, continue....