Top 25 3yo's 1987-2007

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What about Turkoman? What would you classify him as?

I know he was earlier.....but he would have drowned Lost in the Fog at 7F.

We see things way different. But then, you know that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

We see things way different. But then, you know that.

Seeing things differently is one thing.....are you aware of the two races Turkoman ran at 7F as a 4YO?

[blackthroatedwind]

Actually, I was wrong, he won his 4YO debut at 6F....in 108 1/5....closing from about 147 lengths out of it. By the way, he won the Widener in 1:58 3/5 three weeks later. For what it's worth, that was a new track record at Hialeah ( he was last with a half mile to go...and went his final half in 46 4/5 ).

He returned off a layoff to finish a close second to Groovy in the 7F Forego, the track was muddy and Groovy opened up 7 top of the stretch.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Seeing things differently is one thing.....are you aware of the two races Turkoman ran at 7F as a 4YO?

I'm aware of the Forego. I never saw the other race. From the accounts of it that you just gave, it must have been a good race. But then, was it better than Fog going 1:13 2/5 as a 2yo (with a 1:07 1/5 fraction) at Turf Paradise? Was it better than Fog going 1:07 1/5 (with a 54 1/5 fraction) at Golden Gate? He also ran 1:08's at Gulfstream, Aqueduct, and Belmont to prove that he wasn't just a wonder on the asphalt tracks out West. His race at Calder was close to setting a track record and was faster than the older horses went in the Smile and the Princess Rooney, races which were won by graded stakes winning horses.

Cannon is right though. A horse like Turkoman would be looked at like a God today. Same with Precisionist, who was Ghostzapper before Ghostzapper.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm aware of the Forego. I never saw the other race. From the accounts of it that you just gave, it must have been a good race. But then, was it better than Fog going 1:13 2/5 as a 2yo (with a 1:07 1/5 fraction) at Turf Paradise? Was it better than Fog going 1:07 1/5 (with a 54 1/5 fraction) at Golden Gate? He also ran 1:08's at Gulfstream, Aqueduct, and Belmont to prove that he wasn't just a wonder on the asphalt tracks out West. His race at Calder was close to setting a track record and was faster than the older horses went in the Smile and the Princess Rooney, races which were won by graded stakes winning horses.

Cannon is right though. A horse like Turkoman would be looked at like a God today. Same with Precisionist, who was Ghostzapper before Ghostzapper.

Geez King next you are goingto be telling me how awesome Smokey Stover is because beat Northern Cal's finest

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Geez King next you are goingto be telling me how awesome Smokey Stover is because beat Northern Cal's finest

I don't get it.

[Antitrust32]

kitten's Joy as a 3yo?

[miraja2]

The bottom line is that since none of these horses ever proved themselves over poly or cushion we can't know how good any of them really were.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't get it.

LITF beat the clock in No Cal races... He was racing against 50k claimers.. I real don't get why anyone would think the colt was ever special... BTW I Love SJ as well

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by freddymo

LITF beat the clock in No Cal races... He was racing against 50k claimers.. I real don't get why anyone would think the colt was ever special... BTW I Love SJ as well

Ok, now I get it. You are absolutely correct. I had to look through some scattered papers on my desk but I found the memo telling me that Calder, Gulfstream, Aqueduct, Saratoga, Belmont, and Churchill had all been relocated to Northern Cal. My mistake.