Mario o' Mario, please go back to Maryland o' Mario!

[blackthroatedwind]

Let me also say that considering the incredible ineptitude we have witnessed on the inner this year, I would rather have a guy trying to do the right thing than so many of the " just go where they aint " rides I have seen.

Keep this in mind.......Taylor Hole is the second most reliable rider out there right now.

[blackthroatedwind]

Another thing is that people far too often focus on blatant trouble in the stretch and downplay, or even miss, early trouble that results in horses losing significant postion that is often far more detrimental to their chances.

There's an interesting example of this in tomorrow's third race at Aqueduct. That'srightofficer, who has the comment line " rallied into stretch ", actually had significant, but much subtler trouble, in his last race. Now, he was greatly overshadowed by the crazy effort the winner of the race put in, despite CC Lopez's ineptitude, but he clearly should have been second in the race. His rider, Norberto Arroyo, was also punished for trying to do the right thing, for which I don't fault him. He simply got skunked. But, nobody is talking about his trip because it didn't happen right in front of everyone's eyes.

[Travis Stone]

I know what you're saying throat, but I felt like the entire second half of the race he did not put himself in an optimum position to win. If he was told stay inside, well, that's tough, cause you listen to the advice given when you're in a new area.

That said, it looked to me like he had plenty of horse throughout. My frustration arose on the far turn, when he was out-maneuvered by a rival to the outside and was suddenly left with that decision: inside or out? Maybe the in-hand style he was using was an aberration and that's why he did not commit outside. But I would rather go a bit wide and see if there's horse there, as opposed to wait inside and get into trouble.

And you're right, stretch-trips are over-rated as opposed to mid-race struggles. I think this all boiled from about the 5/16's on, and my commentary also stems from watching that other race either last week or two weeks ago where Pino was flying up the rail only to get stuck late.

Do I chase this horse next time? Probably, just so I can hopefully justify the time spent this long-winded response!

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I know what you're saying throat, but I felt like the entire second half of the race he did not put himself in an optimum position to win. If he was told stay inside, well, that's tough, cause you listen to the advice given when you're in a new area.

That said, it looked to me like he had plenty of horse throughout. My frustration arose on the far turn, when he was out-maneuvered by a rival to the outside and was suddenly left with that decision: inside or out? Maybe the in-hand style he was using was an aberration and that's why he did not commit outside. But I would rather go a bit wide and see if there's horse there, as opposed to wait inside and get into trouble.

And you're right, stretch-trips are over-rated as opposed to mid-race struggles. I think this all boiled from about the 5/16's on, and my commentary also stems from watching that other race either last week or two weeks ago where Pino was flying up the rail only to get stuck late.

Do I chase this horse next time? Probably, just so I can hopefully justify the time spent this long-winded response!

Travis, someone needs to explain to him (and others) that saving ground is only important on the turns! If you give him the benefit of the doubt that allowing Boggy Creek to "out-move" him wide on the turn was the right thing to do, especially with a stretch runner, there is absolutely no reason to remain glued to the rail in the stretch. His rides on Laysh and Gold and Blue Box were identical, and incredibly frustrating if you had a wager on either (or worse, both ).

[pgiaco]

I'm not one to defend jocks but Gold and Blue Box doesn't run worth a damn unless he is covered up in the stretch so it looks like he gets into trouble every race because that is how he has torun. I had my eye on him to claim him last year, but decided against him beacause he was a little too quirky.

[blackthroatedwind]

In yesterday's first race at Aqueduct, Mario Pino gave She's a Tuf Cookie a good ground saving ride into the stretch versus 1:9 favorite Shelby's Memory. At the top of the stretch he smoothly angled her out and eventually wore down the favorite. The only problem was when he angled out he left the inside open to Roxanne's Dancer, who took advantage of that position, and rallied to win the race.

Was Pino wrong this time? Not in my opinion, and I bet his horse, but I thought in the spirit of this thread I should point out that perhaps even the right decision ends up being the wrong one. There's plenty of jockey buffoonery at all racetracks but I have found a lot of selective Mario Pino bashing ( none more ridiculous than the 2007 Preakness ) to be misguided.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In yesterday's first race at Aqueduct, Mario Pino gave She's a Tuf Cookie a good ground saving ride into the stretch versus 1:9 favorite Shelby's Memory. At the top of the stretch he smoothly angled her out and eventually wore down the favorite. The only problem was when he angled out he left the inside open to Roxanne's Dancer, who took advantage of that position, and rallied to win the race.

Was Pino wrong this time? Not in my opinion, and I bet his horse, but I thought in the spirit of this thread I should point out that perhaps even the right decision ends up being the wrong one. There's plenty of jockey buffoonery at all racetracks but I have found a lot of selective Mario Pino bashing ( none more ridiculous than the 2007 Preakness ) to be misguided.

Okay, a few things here. While I agree with you most often, in regards to Mr Pino I do not. First, what he did yesterday what plain and simply the correct move. When his horse was getting to the leader, there wasn't nearly as much room as there was when Cedeno got there. Second on that track and the way it has been playing, he couldn't have been concerned about anyone coming from behind to run him down, therefore leaving the rail open for a miracle is not wrong. Lastly, yesterday's loss and the nonsense he pulled on Laysh, Laysh, Laysh are two different things, IMO. Of course, I wasn't on the horse, so I really can't see what he was hoping to accomplish by running up the asses of two horses. Maybe the earlier ride influenced his ride of yesterday?

As it pertains to his Preakness ride, REALLY? You honestly feel as though what he did in that race was the right thing? Running into garbage throwing down 45 and 3, and his own fractions of 109 and 4 and 134 and 3? Wow, I'm pretty sure I prefer the trips that Curlin and Street Sense got and supposedly to be forced to move early because 25-1 CP West was making a move is lunacy. Hard Spun probably ran a 22 and change quarter in the middle of that race somewhere. Not good for race going a mile and 3/16ths. I admit my opinion is quite slanted when it comes to Hard Spun, but between this ride and the Belmont ride he couldn't have possibly had two worse trips. I do realize Go-Go was aboard for that horror show in Elmont.

Maybe I should create my alterego, NoLuvForPino...