2/24 (GP): Fountain of Youth (Gr. II)

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

why wouldn't the connections want their goal to be a win for their horse in a prep? Is it some sort of jinx .

maybe to build a foundation for a race that has a longer distance, is more prestigious, and has bigger purse - but thats too obvious

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by robfla

maybe to build a foundation for a race that has a longer distance, is more prestigious, and has bigger purse - but thats too obvious

So, are you saying that the winner of the prep race doesn't gain that same foundation?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

So, are you saying that the winner of the prep race doesn't gain that same foundation?

The winner may need the graded earnings to get in so may be cranked up to peak for this effort to assure they get the earnings. Court Vision already has the earnings so they can take it easier with him and work towards a peak performance on Derby Day. Personally I think Court Vision will lose because he's too slow, not because he isn't cranked up but the more excuses I can give for the horse the more likely people are to continue burning money on him this year.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The winner may need the graded earnings to get in so may be cranked up to peak for this effort to assure they get the earnings. Court Vision already has the earnings so they can take it easier with him and work towards a peak performance on Derby Day. Personally I think Court Vision will lose because he's too slow, not because he isn't cranked up but the more excuses I can give for the horse the more likely people are to continue burning money on him this year.

That will be me, probably. LOL

[Indian Charlie]

if adriano at all takes to dirt, and he's bred much better for dirt racing than turf racing, this race is over.

his 2nd dam was the very nice theatrical mare golden treat, who couldnt run a step on turf, but did manage to set a track record for 4.5 furlongs on dirt and later won the santa anita oaks. golden treat herself is also a half sister to the greatly under appreciated bet twice.

his last race was spectacular, so either he just really loved the gp turf, or he has matured and developed.

my only question is why were they running this horse on turf in the first place?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

my only question is why were they running this horse on turf in the first place?

The usual reason.....he sucks on the dirt.

[Indian Charlie]

based on what BTW?

he debuted on turf as a pretty early season 2yo. and if he sucks on dirt, why the placement of him here, instead of aiming him for all the turf races and a likely turf eclipse award?

those ap indy - mr p mare crosses sure seem okay on dirt to me, and this horse has no turf breeding in him at all.

it seems pretty far fetched to say he sucks on dirt at this point.

[VOL JACK]

[quote=blackthroatedwind]The usual reason.....he sucks on the dirt.

I would disagree. I think that Motion is a trainer that puts everything on the turf first, then if they don't handle it, use the dirt as the back up surface.
Afterall, he does train his horses on the Tapeta at Fair Hill. When horses work good on the synthetic, trainers automatically assume they want the turf.
Bottom line is that G. Motion is a turf trainer; and imo as good of a horseman as we have in the game.

[bogeydaman]

[quote=Indian Charlie]if adriano at all takes to dirt, and he's bred much better for dirt racing than turf racing, this race is over.QUOTE]

[quote=cool coal man looks pretty bad as does golden spikes.QUOTE]

IMO the larger issue (not that the turf/dirt question is inconsequential) is the post. Out of 18 2 turn races on the dirt at GP this meet, 17 have been won from the 1 through 4 posts (12 (66%) by the 1 and 2 alone). I wouldn't touch this horse at 40-1.

Might also want reconsider Cool Coal man and Golden Spikes who both look to sit perfect trips from the inside.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

So, are you saying that the winner of the prep race doesn't gain that same foundation?

Building the foundation is part of it, but the prep race is more about not being 100% cranked and shooting your wad before the main goal. The ideal scenario in my opinion for a prep is a real easy win, where you get some foundation and the check, without hurting the muscles. Figuring out preps/intent is tricky.