NBA Rookie of the Year?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree Pgardn...stats are great in fantasy ball but not a true reflection of ability...if they were then the best player in the NBA for several years now would be Marion while in truth, he was never more than the third best player on the Suns...

You are right...lots of 19 year olds put up 20 a night in the NBA...Marion by the way is a better player in almost every phase of the game than Amare...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are right...lots of 19 year olds put up 20 a night in the NBA...Marion by the way is a better player in almost every phase of the game than Amare...

I hope you are joking....but even if you aren't, my point is made, Marion ranks #1 in the league stat wise from a fantasy point of view...think the Lakers would trade Kobe for him? The Cavs trade Lebron? The Suns trade Nash to get him back? The Spurs trade Duncan....how many should I list?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I hope you are joking....but even if you aren't, my point is made, Marion ranks #1 in the league stat wise from a fantasy point of view...think the Lakers would trade Kobe for him? The Cavs trade Lebron? The Suns trade Nash to get him back? The Spurs trade Duncan....how many should I list?

We arent talking fantasy, we are talking real life. Your comparisons are ill conceived as you listed the 2 best players in the league, a center (so says ppgn) and a point guard. Marion is a very good 2 way player that can do everything including play lockdown defense. He is a 4 time allstar in the Western conference and you are acting like it is some fluke that he has good stats. Dont you think playing on a team that averages 110 points a game helped him out in fantasy?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We arent talking fantasy, we are talking real life. Your comparisons are ill conceived as you listed the 2 best players in the league, a center (so says ppgn) and a point guard. Marion is a very good 2 way player that can do everything including play lockdown defense. He is a 4 time allstar in the Western conference and you are acting like it is some fluke that he has good stats. Dont you think playing on a team that averages 110 points a game helped him out in fantasy?

We are talking real life....stats alone, as Pgardn pointed out, aren't a complete picture! This is illustrated by Marion...in the fantasy sport world, he IS the best player in the NBA...by your own admission here, Kobe and Lebron are better....don't try and turn things around, it was you who tried to compare Kobe and Lebron with Durant by using stats! Durant is a good young player...with skills greatly inferior to Kobe, Lebron and a number of other NBA players. Kobe and Lebron were probably the physical equals of Durant at about....15 or 16!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

We are talking real life....stats alone, as Pgardn pointed out, aren't a complete picture! This is illustrated by Marion...in the fantasy sport world, he IS the best player in the NBA...by your own admission here, Kobe and Lebron are better....don't try and turn things around, it was you who tried to compare Kobe and Lebron with Durant by using stats! Durant is a good young player...with skills greatly inferior to Kobe, Lebron and a number of other NBA players. Kobe and Lebron were probably the physical equals of Durant at about....15 or 16!

If you compare the production of the three at age 19, which I did, it is clear that he is as productive as those 2 were at the same age. Is that too hard for you to understand? Do Lebrons 20 a game in 36 mins as a rookie count more than Durants 20 a game in 33 minutes? His skills at age 19 are not greatly inferior to either player. No one is saying that he will become the players that those 2 are now but he is nowhere near 'greatly inferior" to either at the same stage of their careers.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you compare the production of the three at age 19, which I did, it is clear that he is as productive as those 2 were at the same age. Is that too hard for you to understand? Do Lebrons 20 a game in 36 mins as a rookie count more than Durants 20 a game in 33 minutes? His skills at age 19 are not greatly inferior to either player. No one is saying that he will become the players that those 2 are now but he is nowhere near 'greatly inferior" to either at the same stage of their careers.

I doubt that there is anything you could say that would be too hard for me to understand...you flatter your intellect. We disagree on the extent of Durant's skills at this time in his career...I fail to see how that makes me unable to "understand" anything.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I doubt that there is anything you could say that would be too hard for me to understand...you flatter your intellect. We disagree on the extent of Durant's skills at this time in his career...I fail to see how that makes me unable to "understand" anything.

And you think that your opinion counts more than what actually occurs on the court. Look at the numbers and tell me MR. Basketball, how Durant can produce similar numbers to the 2 other platers despite greatly inferior skills? You cannot so you resort to personal shots. The original point i was making was to refute Ppgns summary that Durant was a one dimensional gunner by posting his numbers as compared to the 2 best players in the NBA at the same point in each's career. Then you popped in with your numbers dont matter BS and you want to tell everyone how smart you are because you took Shaun Marion in your fantasy team last year?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are right...lots of 19 year olds put up 20 a night in the NBA...Marion by the way is a better player in almost every phase of the game than Amare...

Marion is a huge headcase just like Amare.
He is one guy I loved on the Suns, he would absolutely shut down during the 4th quarter in big games. Marion is a regular season get my numbers guy. Until he proves otherwise he is nothing more.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Marion is a huge headcase just like Amare.
He is one guy I loved on the Suns, he would absolutely shut down during the 4th quarter in big games. Marion is a regular season get my numbers guy. Until he proves otherwise he is nothing more.

He is a bit odd but he is a tremendous player. The Suns style was compromised during the 4th quarters of playoff games when every possession counts and you cant waste opportunities. That does not play to Marion's offensive strengths. But he is a great defender and can guard just about anyone.