Woman Arrested For Socializing with Men

[SCUDSBROTHER]

We have the Grammy Awards,Dog Shows,American Idol,Horseracing etc....Their entertainment is going to see a public be-heading of a fellow citizen.

[The Bid]

What do you expect from people who are still killing each other with rocks over religion.

There is a fairly large contingent of Ultra-Orthodox Jews who practice the same sort of segregation of sexes. They would not arrest a foreign vistor, but they might ask them to go into another room... not at a Starbuck's though.

ANd I have been to a few Christian weddings that emphasized that the woman's role was to serve the wishes of the head of the family (total subserveint role). This is not exactly new and not just restricted to the Mideast.

This is not to justify the Saudi's rules.
It seems pretty clear the roots are deep
in many socities however.

We of course have risen above this morally.
cornered the market on morality, ask Pat Robertson

[Danzig]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330642,00.html


a far cry from morals police, and threats of jail....but still room for improvement here as well...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is not to justify the Saudi's rules.[/size]

It's to be contrarian.Both your's and Danzig's were posted for that reason.The difference is that this is an everyday 365 days/year thing in a country like Saudi Arabia.Like the story says,they have a whole group of state thugs looking for stuff like this mixing of the sexes(without being married.)I knew you were coming.You couldn't resist the Islam apologetic crap.I know you have this nervous need to balance all the equations,but it's just not possible.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's to be contrarian.Both your's and Danzig's were posted for that reason.The difference is that this is an everyday 365 days/year thing in a country like Saudi Arabia.Like the story says,they have a whole group of state thugs looking for stuff like this mixing of the sexes(without being married.)I knew you were coming.You couldn't resist the Islam apologetic crap.I know you have this nervous need to balance all the equations,but it's just not possible.

i didn't post the above to be contrarian scuds. i posted it because women don't have a long way to go just in saudi arabia. even we here in the u.s. have room for improvement. as i said in my post above, it's not on the same level as having police arrest you, but disturbing all the same.

[dylbert]

Everytime I leave United States, I remind myself "I am not in US and must abide by laws and regulations of country where I travel." As US military brat we travelled many places, we met people all over the globe that sought freedom we so readlily enjoy.

Several years ago, we had an intern from The Gambia, where I work. He was amazed that he could travel from New Orleans to Dallas without seeking government permission. Also, he commented that police that he encountered were not checking everyone's official documents, and were both friendly and helpful. Food for thought, world travellers...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't post the above to be contrarian scuds. i posted it because women don't have a long way to go just in saudi arabia. even we here in the u.s. have room for improvement. as i said in my post above, it's not on the same level as having police arrest you, but disturbing all the same.

Fine,but I don't like it to be used as an excuse for the original problem.This thing of explaining something away because some of it exists somewhere else? I don't get that.Why do you and him do that?It's constant on here.I swear,60 years ago you two would try to lessen the importance of a lynching by saying they had one in the next state,too.You would say these lynchings are common in a lot of states.I don't understand the mindset.It's the same mindset that says it's o.k. to lose,because everyone around you is losing.That's a weird one,too.

[Danzig]

no, i am not condoning it. i agree completely that it is evil. my point was that there are still issues with women being treated as lesser in other places as well.
i put the link to that article in this thread, as it was the most recent thread on the subject. there was no ulterior motive on my part at all.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Fine,but I don't like it to be used as an excuse for the original problem.This thing of explaining something away because some of it exists somewhere else? I don't get that.Why do you and him do that?It's constant on here.I swear,60 years ago you two would try to lessen the importance of a lynching by saying they had one in the next state,too.You would say these lynchings are common in a lot of states.I don't understand the mindset.It's the same mindset that says it's o.k. to lose,because everyone around you is losing.That's a weird one,too.

that is completely ridiculous.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's to be contrarian.Both your's and Danzig's were posted for that reason.The difference is that this is an everyday 365 days/year thing in a country like Saudi Arabia.Like the story says,they have a whole group of state thugs looking for stuff like this mixing of the sexes(without being married.)I knew you were coming.You couldn't resist the Islam apologetic crap.I know you have this nervous need to balance all the equations,but it's just not possible.

A little story.
My daughter was going to bible study
and the subject got into the woman's role.
One of the "teachers" basically stated the husband
is the head of the household, your job is to have
babies and stay humble and quiet.

This is in the United States of America. This attitude
still exists. So dont go spouting off that Islam is the
only religion to deem women inferior. There are plenty
of Christians that have so much in common with Muslims
in reguards to women. It just so happens that in countries
that are totalitarian or run by religion this stuff becomes law.

But THE FRGGN IDEA is rife in many cultures. They deal
women in so many places in Southeast Asia it would make
you sick. They are property to be used for sexual pleasure
only and beaten and killed if they dont do a good job at it.
Open your eyes and get out of Turkey.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It just so happens that in countries
that are totalitarian or run by religion this stuff becomes law.

Fact is you have a choice here as to what religion you want to have(or have none,)and (since Romney didn't get nominated,) we are gunna be able to keep state and church separated.Fact is that in most Moslem countries there is no freedom of religion.These Moslem laws they have apply to all citizens.No,I am gunna state right now,sir, that this is an evil religion started by a butcher,and he killed those who didn't submit to his authority.If I don't want to celebrate Christmas,or Easter here,then I sure don't have to.That's simply not the case in Moslem countries.If you live there, and don't believe in ISLAM,you sure better pretend you do.You better go through the charade of RAMADAM,or you will be in danger.You're gunna be called the Devil etc.I resent my friend having to go thru this f'n charade,and I resent them killing women by cracking their head open with chunks of concrete.Like I said at the start of this thread,I knew you were gunna come do this bullshit.You can't wait to try to make other religions equivalent to the evil in Islam.Go ahead,I don't agree with you.I don't agree with the Christians you're speaking about,but I sure don't see them throwing stones and concrete at young women.You know what that is? It's not a cultural difference.No,it's pure evil.I am willing to face that they are evil,and you want to call it a cultural difference etc. Arresting women for simply talking to a man? That's pure evil.It's an evil religion.There is no way to protect yourself from it unless you keep those that follow this religion away from you.I don't want anybody who believes in stoning to be allowed in my country(at all.) If you think women should be arrested for simply talking to men,then I don't want you in my country(at all.) If you think ISLAM is the only religion that should be allowed,then I don't want you here (at all.) Now when the rest of the Americans want the same,then we will be able to keep these people out.Until then,they can come over here and run amuck,and you can feel like you have been fair with these poor hated Moslems.I guess we can't call them evil,because somewhere in the world there are other evil people.So,God forbide we call evil for what it is.You're whole way of discussing issues comes down to "well this is also going on somewhere else." They have to be the only evil people,or you're afraid it isn't fair to point just them out.Great, why don't you tell us where other evil is going on.I have no problem with that,but don't use it as an excuse for this evil religion to be forgiven.You're constantly doing this.You should start another thread on these other evils.Don't use it to excuse this evil.