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Originally Posted by Gander

Ya the guy really stinks. I would take him off the starting rotation for that start! Funny how you were silent on Saturday when Randy Johnson was getting tagged by the Devil Rays. It happens.

Difference is unlike you Gander i don't say that Johnson isnt washed up because I know he is. You on the other hand say that Schilling is the same old guy, therefore I don't have to defend a guy that I never defend, whereas anyone who tries to tell me that Schilling is the same old guy has to defend him after he pitches like a Babe Ruth coach tossing batting practice.
Hes a gamer, hes a warrior, hes been an awesome pitcher, hes still capable of throwing a great game at times, but.... hes definitely a shell of what he was and there is just no way to get around that.
Johnson is completely done, show me where I ever defended him, I wish they would trade him for a water boy.

[Gander]

I dont think I ever said he was the "same old guy" Mike. If I used those exact words than I apologize, I just never remember saying he was the same old guy. I dont think he is washed up or a shell of what he used to be. I wont deny his velocity may have gone down 3-4 mphs, and his control isnt what it used to be but the guy knows what to do to win games. He goes deep into games and shuts batters down in the most key situations giving the Sox a chance to win games, in which they usually do.

While ERA is a very valid statitstic it doesnt always tell the whole story. I'd take Schilling and his 3.8 ERA over just about any guy with a 2.5-3.0 ERA any day of the week. Hes the biggest reason both the D Backs and the Red Sox have their rings.

Last night was brutal to watch. That ball Vlad hit just came down a few minutes ago, LOL!

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think I ever said he was the "same old guy" Mike. If I used those exact words than I apologize, I just never remember saying he was the same old guy. I dont think he is washed up or a shell of what he used to be. I wont deny his velocity may have gone down 3-4 mphs, and his control isnt what it used to be but the guy knows what to do to win games. He goes deep into games and shuts batters down in the most key situations giving the Sox a chance to win games, in which they usually do.

While ERA is a very valid statitstic it doesnt always tell the whole story. I'd take Schilling and his 3.8 ERA over just about any guy with a 2.5-3.0 ERA any day of the week. Hes the biggest reason both the D Backs and the Red Sox have their rings.

Last night was brutal to watch. That ball Vlad hit just came down a few minutes ago, LOL!

I was asleep but saw it on Sportscenter this morning, I couldnt believe it, how far was that thing? 500 feet? That was incredible.

[Gander]

I've seen a lot of them Mike and the second Vlad made contact, I had goosebumps. I knew the ball was out of the stadium but man did you see how fast it was still moving? Like a line drive, that could have hurt someone in the street!

Disappointing game for sure, especially since it was the Sunday night ESPN game. We're very lucky we didnt get swept.