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Old 02-07-2008, 01:14 AM
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Personally, I don't think it's blame at all. Was NYRA completely innocent of wrongdoing, poor management, and other things as well? Of course not. However, have they always been guilty of same? No, certainly not. I've been a critic of NYRA for a long time, on many specific issues where they were certainly wrong. They were guilty on the horsemen's purse account, and how that entire situation was addressed and handled. However, I've also been a critic of the NYTHA and I am a horse owner. However, that's not blame.

In understanding the business and being part of it, I think it's also important to understand the nature of the business, the business model, and more. Being in the business you can look at the business both vocationally and advocationally.

It worked before, and it will work again. Of course NY racing can be so much better. It can be the best in the industry. The fiscal shortcomings of NYRA -- are in fact the fiscal shortcomings of the industry and business model in NY.

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Old 02-07-2008, 06:14 AM
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Sign up now for Aqueduct's SHOWdown contest! It begins February 14... I just love the timing of this.



https://www.nyra.com/Signon.do?TRK=AQU
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:29 AM
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Sign up now for Aqueduct's SHOWdown contest! It begins February 14... I just love the timing of this.



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Old 02-07-2008, 07:40 AM
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I'm sure that in the unlikely event of a shutdown that NYRA will either refund the entrance fees or simply begin the contest once racing resumes. And, nobody is required to play....so don't enter if you have some personal concerns.

I find it fascinating that people are criticizing NYRA for continuing this contest in light of how much criticism was laid upon them when this contest had to be delayed in the past due to website updates. It seems they're damned if the do and damned if they don't.

I hope the many people who have confused standards for NYRA apply these same conditions to their own lives.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:22 AM
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I'm sure that in the unlikely event of a shutdown that NYRA will either refund the entrance fees or simply begin the contest once racing resumes. And, nobody is required to play....so don't enter if you have some personal concerns.

I find it fascinating that people are criticizing NYRA for continuing this contest in light of how much criticism was laid upon them when this contest had to be delayed in the past due to website updates. It seems they're damned if the do and damned if they don't.

I hope the many people who have confused standards for NYRA apply these same conditions to their own lives.

I assume you are referring to someone else, because I missed the part where I was critical of NYRA in my post. I like the contest and play it (on a voluntary basis, mind you) when I can. I thought the start date was interesting/funny considering the deadline that was set. Anyone who entered and thought NYRA would 'take their money and run' is a bit naive or just cynical.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:34 AM
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I assume you are referring to someone else, because I missed the part where I was critical of NYRA in my post. I like the contest and play it (on a voluntary basis, mind you) when I can. I thought the start date was interesting/funny considering the deadline that was set. Anyone who entered and thought NYRA would 'take their money and run' is a bit naive or just cynical.
Call it what you want but you were making a joke without thinking it through.

The timing is obvious if you think about it. By making the start day February 14th it won't be interrupted....it will either start...or not.
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Old 02-07-2008, 08:35 AM
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Call it what you want but you were making a joke

Yes, making a joke. Lighten up, Francis.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:02 AM
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Personally, I don't think it's blame at all. Was NYRA completely innocent of wrongdoing, poor management, and other things as well? Of course not. However, have they always been guilty of same? No, certainly not. I've been a critic of NYRA for a long time, on many specific issues where they were certainly wrong. They were guilty on the horsemen's purse account, and how that entire situation was addressed and handled. However, I've also been a critic of the NYTHA and I am a horse owner. However, that's not blame.

In understanding the business and being part of it, I think it's also important to understand the nature of the business, the business model, and more. Being in the business you can look at the business both vocationally and advocationally.

It worked before, and it will work again. Of course NY racing can be so much better. It can be the best in the industry. The fiscal shortcomings of NYRA -- are in fact the fiscal shortcomings of the industry and business model in NY.

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Old 02-07-2008, 12:59 PM
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The problem with this whole process is that there has been absolutely ZERO transparency regarding the issues involved. While I know that the parties can't be expected to "publicly" negotiate the agreement, without knowing the respective bargaining positions of the parties involved, it's virtually impossible to know who's right and wrong at this time.

Based on his ridiculous proposals in the past, my instincts strongly suggest that it's been Bruno - who can care less about the horsemen, unless they continue to contribute to his political coffers - who has single-handedly been at fault over the past few months. If the sticking point is the composition of the NYRA board, however, I'm a little less sympathetic to NYRA's position if, as reported, the proposed deal will enable NYRA to maintain a majority (11 of 21) of the seats on a reconstituted Board.
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Old 02-07-2008, 01:09 PM
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If Bruno is doing something positive for NY horsemen I think that's a good thing. You don't hear much from NY horsemen and they deserve a big slice of the pie.
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Old 02-07-2008, 01:14 PM
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If Bruno is doing something positive for NY horsemen I think that's a good thing. You don't hear much from NY horsemen and they deserve a big slice of the pie.

Since when don't they?
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:04 PM
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If Bruno is doing something positive for NY horsemen I think that's a good thing. You don't hear much from NY horsemen and they deserve a big slice of the pie.
If Bruno is doing something positive for NY horsemen I'd like to know what it is. He can start by leaving office.
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Slight movement today while Bruno spews new bile and invective.. He is as odious and vile a public official as I've seen in my life.


HEGARTY: Deal inches forward amidst wrangling
http://www.drf.com/news/article/92141.html

B-H: Bruno decries NYRA 'scare tactics'
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43548
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:30 PM
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Slight movement today while Bruno spews new bile and invective.. He is as odious and vile a public official as I've seen in my life.


HEGARTY: Deal inches forward amidst wrangling
http://www.drf.com/news/article/92141.html

B-H: Bruno decries NYRA 'scare tactics'
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43548
You haven't been to the county I live in.....quite a few fit that description.
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Old 02-07-2008, 09:31 PM
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Slight movement today while Bruno spews new bile and invective.. He is as odious and vile a public official as I've seen in my life.


HEGARTY: Deal inches forward amidst wrangling
http://www.drf.com/news/article/92141.html

B-H: Bruno decries NYRA 'scare tactics'
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43548
Time to bring out the dictionary.

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