Now does anyone still believe?...

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

I'm with you Joel, but I think a lot of people will still take Barbaro

[Five Star Derek]

Lets hope Bernardini can stay healthy and stays around for a four year old campaign. Could be an all-time great if he sticks around and continues to develop. It's great to watch him run.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Five Star Derek

Lets hope Bernardini can stay healthy and stays around for a four year old campaign. Could be an all-time great if he sticks around and continues to develop. It's great to watch him run.

Not a chance in hell if he wins the BC Classic

[Five Star Derek]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not a chance in hell if he wins the BC Classic

Your right. It's the unfortunate part of this game. I can still wish.

[packerbacker7964]

Hell if he wins the Haskill he'll run in the BC Classic and then be retired to stud. Hell even he doesn't win the Haskill he gets stud duty.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

I dont know if he gets retired after the BC. Why? He's owned by Darley. Darley has unlimited funds and doesnt need the money. I think they'd love nothing more to own a horse that is an alltime great and if Bernardini is something special he might stick around next year...

[somerfrost]

When you have two undefeated horses with as much potential and obvious ability as these two, only a fool would say definitively which would win! Opinions are equally valid...neither lost a race and both obviously had/have tremendous upside! Barbaro demonstrated an ability to carry his class across diverse surfaces (dirt/turf), he also demonstrated the heart of a champion as he was indeed "looked in the eye" in a race that he had every opportunity to lose. I think it's a disservice to both champions to say with any confidence which was/is better. Up to this point, Barbaro showed a little more...turf dominance followed by a Derby win trumps a Preakness win and a public workout yesterday...but that in no way is proof absolute that he was the better horse! My guess (and only a guess)...I'll stick with Barbaro!

[Five Star Derek]

Either way, we'll never know.

Preakness was the race.

The mudfest helps me with nothing. I dont take a race like that and proclaim the horse a God. We will wait for another dry track with a full field, and a wide range of styles.

[sham]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

When you have two undefeated horses with as much potential and obvious ability as these two, only a fool would say definitively which would win! Opinions are equally valid...neither lost a race and both obviously had/have tremendous upside! Barbaro demonstrated an ability to carry his class across diverse surfaces (dirt/turf), he also demonstrated the heart of a champion as he was indeed "looked in the eye" in a race that he had every opportunity to lose. I think it's a disservice to both champions to say with any confidence which was/is better. Up to this point, Barbaro showed a little more...turf dominance followed by a Derby win trumps a Preakness win and a public workout yesterday...but that in no way is proof absolute that he was the better horse! My guess (and only a guess)...I'll stick with Barbaro!

I agree completely with this assessment. We will never know who would have won between these two, but I'd bet it would have been one heck-of-a-race. Sorry we missed it. The part I regret the most is not seeing Barbaro take on the Euros on the turf. We get few horses in the states that could compete because our best go to dirt (for the money of course).

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

When you have two undefeated horses with as much potential and obvious ability as these two, only a fool would say definitively which would win! Opinions are equally valid...neither lost a race and both obviously had/have tremendous upside! Barbaro demonstrated an ability to carry his class across diverse surfaces (dirt/turf), he also demonstrated the heart of a champion as he was indeed "looked in the eye" in a race that he had every opportunity to lose. I think it's a disservice to both champions to say with any confidence which was/is better. Up to this point, Barbaro showed a little more...turf dominance followed by a Derby win trumps a Preakness win and a public workout yesterday...but that in no way is proof absolute that he was the better horse! My guess (and only a guess)...I'll stick with Barbaro!

bernardini isn't undefeated, he lost his first race, finished fourth that day. evidently a quick learner.

i really don't care for barbaro/bernardini comparisons. it can only yield bitter fruit imo.

barbaro showed tremendous ability on the track, his will to win is matched by his will to live. he is truly a special, spectacular horse. may he be with us for years to come. i have every intention of enjoying bernardinis wins. but he won't ever be the best 3 yo to me out of this crop.
it was a tremendous win for him yesterday, but he still has much to do to match barbaros feats of the first half of this year.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

bernardini isn't undefeated, he lost his first race, finished fourth that day. evidently a quick learner.

i really don't care for barbaro/bernardini comparisons. it can only yield bitter fruit imo.

barbaro showed tremendous ability on the track, his will to win is matched by his will to live. he is truly a special, spectacular horse. may he be with us for years to come. i have every intention of enjoying bernardinis wins. but he won't ever be the best 3 yo to me out of this crop.
it was a tremendous win for him yesterday, but he still has much to do to match barbaros feats of the first half of this year.

There I completely disagree. Barbaro won the Holy Bull, Florida Derby and KY Derby. Very impressive accomplishments, obviously, but how do Bernardini's accomplishments not stack up? Withers, Preakness, Jim Dandy - ok, Barbaro has one more Grade 1, but to say that Bernardini has to accomplish a LOT more to even come close to Barbaro? IMO, that's overstating Barbaro's case. You just said you didn't like to compare Barbaro and Bernardini yet you admit that nothing Bernardini does can ever make you think he's the better of the two horses. Then the conversation about Bernardini basically ends right here if he has to compete with the memory of a fallen horse.