Curlin is going to Dubai

kentuckyrosesinmay · #1 02-04-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Your last prediction on this board was that Street Sense was lame and wouldn't even start in the Derby. You saw it with your own eyes.....while watching TV. It's not your horse judging skills I don't believe, it is your remote manipulation, and my guess is you were watching " Mr. Ed " by mistake and got confused. Happens to the best of us.

Who cares about my last prediction? It won't have a thing to do with the outcome in Dubai...

Well, we all saw Street Sense's workout before the Belmont just as we all saw Discreet Cat's workout before the BC...I'll leave it at that. Just because the horses run fast, does not mean they are sound. You see it all the time, and I've seen/been around enough sore horses in the mornings to know that they can run through their problems on race day. We all know how Any Given Saturday turned out after that race at Tampa (another horse that I said was off)... Todd Pletcher was only able to get one truly good race out of him at the end of the summer after giving him a break....

So, I was wrong about Street Sense at the beginning of the year, just as you were wrong about Lost in the Fog. I'm sure we both will be wrong many other times as well. I know that I have been wrong a lot of times before, but who hasn't when it comes to horse racing?

blackthroatedwind · #2 02-04-2008, 10:57 AM

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Who cares about my last prediction? It won't have a thing to do with the outcome in Dubai...

Well, we all saw Street Sense's workout before the Belmont just as we all saw Discreet Cat's workout before the BC...I'll leave it at that. Just because the horses run fast, does not mean they are sound. You see it all the time, and I've seen/been around enough sore horses in the mornings to know that they can run through their problems on race day. We all know how Any Given Saturday turned out after that race at Tampa (another horse that I said was off)... Todd Pletcher was only able to get one truly good race out of him at the end of the summer after giving him a break....

So, I was wrong about Street Sense at the beginning of the year, just as you were wrong about Lost in the Fog. I'm sure we both will be wrong many other times as well. I know that I have been wrong a lot of times before, but who hasn't when it comes to horse racing?

OMG.

Scav is right.......even you weren't this far gone before. I can only hope this is attributable to the very understandable college student's dabbling with very hard drugs.

I hope you get clean before performing your first major triple bypass surgery.

The Bid · #3 02-04-2008, 10:59 AM

Shes a doctor too?

blackthroatedwind · #4 02-04-2008, 11:00 AM

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Shes a doctor too?

Either that or she thinks she plays one on TV.

blackthroatedwind · #5 02-04-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm confused. Now I'm a little slow, but Street sense's work before the Belmont? Any Given Saturday had one good race after the Tampa Bay Derby? Huh? Wasn't he awesome in the Dwyer and Haskell and workmanlike in the Brooklyn, to a horse that came back and won a stake?

You think it's easy following horse racing and performing eye transplants in Nepal?

kentuckyrosesinmay · #6 02-04-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm confused. Now I'm a little slow, but Street sense's work before the Belmont? Any Given Saturday had one good race after the Tampa Bay Derby? Huh? Wasn't he awesome in the Dwyer and Haskell and workmanlike in the Brooklyn, to a horse that came back and won a stake?

Yes, Street Sense's work just before the Belmont. After that work, they decided not to race the horse because he looked so bad.

I said that he was awesome in the Haskell. Well, the only race that was exceptional was the Haskell. He ran a decent race in the Dwyer beating a mediocre Grade I horse on the dirt (Nobiz Like Showbiz couldn't come near the likes of Hard Spun, Lawyer Ron, Street Sense, Curlin....etc.), and didn't look all that great in the Brooklyn. He was bad after the Tampa Bay Derby until he got the break after the Derby. Then, he transformed into a whole new horse after the break. He was always that talented. Even BTW said that. I thought he was BTW's Derby horse if I'm not mistaken. So, you tell me...

kentuckyrosesinmay · #7 02-04-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I don't get your point. Street Sense had a bad work before the Belmont, so he didn't run. So what? Personally, i think after he lost the Preakness he was never coming for the Belmont, but who cares? What does his bad work months later have to do with your pre Derby assessment? he obviously wasn't that affected by that work because he went on to win the Jim Dandy and Travers.

Again, I miss your point on AGS. He had some issues after the Tampa Bay Derby, was rushed by the connections to make the race and was wisely given a break, then showed he was a good one. his Dwyer was a very good race, i don't care who it was against, he crushed the field.

Think what you want. I'm just telling you what I was hearing, and what I was talking to trainers about.

Scav · #8 02-04-2008, 11:29 AM

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But what is your point, that is what I don't get?

There is no hope

kentuckyrosesinmay · #9 02-04-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I don't get your point. Street Sense had a bad work before the Belmont, so he didn't run. So what? Personally, i think after he lost the Preakness he was never coming for the Belmont, but who cares? What does his bad work months later have to do with your pre Derby assessment? he obviously wasn't that affected by that work because he went on to win the Jim Dandy and Travers.

Again, I miss your point on AGS. He had some issues after the Tampa Bay Derby, was rushed by the connections to make the Derby and then was wisely given a break, then showed he was a good one. his Dwyer was a very good race, i don't care who it was against, he crushed the field.

BTW, if AGS was just rushed, if that was it, then how come all the other horses like Curlin and Hard Spun were able to run like they did in the Derby...

I don't know, but I don't think that Todd Pletcher rushes his Derby horses...

blackthroatedwind · #10 02-04-2008, 11:37 AM

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I don't know...

FTFY

#11 02-04-2008, 11:27 AM

UNC is the Harvard of the South. LOL

kentuckyrosesinmay · #12 02-04-2008, 11:34 AM

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This was so bad, I had to respond again. Are you kidding? You should know they are not machines. To somehow determine that AGS was injured, because Curlin and Hard Spun ran well and he didn't in the DERBY is ridiculous. I think his poor running had to do with owners wanting a Derby horse and rushing him into it. We saw what he did without being rushed.

Curlin and Hard Spun had a tougher campaign than Any Given Saturday at that point in time.

If anyone was rushed, it was Curlin.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #13 02-04-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I don't get your point. Street Sense had a bad work before the Belmont, so he didn't run. So what? Personally, i think after he lost the Preakness he was never coming for the Belmont, but who cares? What does his bad work months later have to do with your pre Derby assessment? he obviously wasn't that affected by that work because he went on to win the Jim Dandy and Travers.

Again, I miss your point on AGS. He had some issues after the Tampa Bay Derby, was rushed by the connections to make the Derby and then was wisely given a break, then showed he was a good one. his Dwyer was a very good race, i don't care who it was against, he crushed the field.

I have a story to tell. One of my friends purchased a 75,000 dollar horse from a Florida sale. He was a strapping chestnut colt, a Graded Stakes caliber colt. When this colt first raced, there was some buzz about him because he broke his maiden first time out as a three year old by four lengths under a strangle hold. The jock never asked him to run, and was actually holding him back down the stretch. In his next start, he's not moving as pretty and gets beat, but finishes second. He came back with puffy ankles, and has never been the same since. The trainer is very careful with the colt, but is constantly battling the horse's puffy ankles. Yet, the colt still wins races in quite the company because of the careful management. Sometimes, in a race, he even looks back to his old self, but the front bandages tell the story. However, a lot of races, he hasn't moved as pretty as he once did. It is amazing what a little bit of rest, ice, front bandages, and joint injections will do.... However, this cycle never continues because eventually the damage becomes too severe to continue. The horse either gets turned out and, with time, gets better, or is done racing.... The most careful and talented trainers can usually get at least a couple of good races out of the horse under these conditions or can keep the horse going for awhile if the horse has plenty of time in between starts.

Cajungator26 · #14 02-04-2008, 11:00 PM

blackthroatedwind · #15 02-04-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a story to tell. One of my friends purchased a 75,000 dollar horse from a Florida sale. He was a strapping chestnut colt, a Graded Stakes caliber colt. When this colt first raced, there was some buzz about him because he broke his maiden first time out as a three year old by four lengths under a strangle hold. The jock never asked him to run, and was actually holding him back down the stretch. In his next start, he's not moving as pretty and gets beat, but finishes second. He came back with puffy ankles, and has never been the same since. The trainer is very careful with the colt, but is constantly battling the horse's puffy ankles. Yet, the colt still wins races in quite the company because of the careful management. Sometimes, in a race, he even looks back to his old self, but the front bandages tell the story. However, a lot of races, he hasn't moved as pretty as he once did. It is amazing what a little bit of rest, ice, front bandages, and joint injections will do.... However, this cycle never continues because eventually the damage becomes too severe to continue. The horse either gets turned out and, with time, gets better, or is done racing.... The most careful and talented trainers can usually get at least a couple of good races out of the horse under these conditions or can keep the horse going for awhile if the horse has plenty of time in between starts.

Wilber!!!!!!!

Indian Charlie · #16 02-05-2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a story to tell. . . . .

Hey, I've got a story to tell too!!

It goes a little something. . . . like this:

Here's the story of a lovely lady
Who was bringing up three very lovely girls.
All of them had hair of gold, like their mother,
The youngest one in curls.

Here's the story, of a man named Brady (Tom?),
Who was busy with three boys of his own,
They were four men, living all together,
Yet they were all alone.

Till the one day when the lady met this fellow
And they knew it was much more than a hunch,
That this group would somehow form a family.
That's the way we all became the Brady Bunch.
The Brady Bunch, The Brady Bunch (Go Pats!)

That's the way we all became the Brady Bunch.
The Brady Bunch.

freddymo · #17 02-05-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a story to tell. One of my friends purchased a 75,000 dollar horse from a Florida sale. He was a strapping chestnut colt, a Graded Stakes caliber colt. When this colt first raced, there was some buzz about him because he broke his maiden first time out as a three year old by four lengths under a strangle hold. The jock never asked him to run, and was actually holding him back down the stretch. In his next start, he's not moving as pretty and gets beat, but finishes second. He came back with puffy ankles, and has never been the same since. The trainer is very careful with the colt, but is constantly battling the horse's puffy ankles. Yet, the colt still wins races in quite the company because of the careful management. Sometimes, in a race, he even looks back to his old self, but the front bandages tell the story. However, a lot of races, he hasn't moved as pretty as he once did. It is amazing what a little bit of rest, ice, front bandages, and joint injections will do.... However, this cycle never continues because eventually the damage becomes too severe to continue. The horse either gets turned out and, with time, gets better, or is done racing.... The most careful and talented trainers can usually get at least a couple of good races out of the horse under these conditions or can keep the horse going for awhile if the horse has plenty of time in between starts.

enlightening stuff