Giants

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

They played very passively on offense. It was like they fell in love with the Jacksonville gameplan and tried to duplicate it. When they opened it up late they moved efficently. But the Giants beat up the Oline and Brady didnt seem to be the same player. Maybe it was the pressure but he missed a lot of passes by alot. Some of Welkers catches were poorly thrown and he missed quite a few easy ones. But you have to give the Giants front 7 a lot of credit. And despite my assertions that the Giants had a couple breaks on offense, they didnt have any really bad turnovers.

[The Bid]

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

No..it's Colonel Klink...a Military now 2yr old that we (Phil, Chuck and I) got at Keeneland sale in Sept.

I love Hogan's Heroes and Sgt Schultz was taken, so....

[MaTH716]

Don't they say that you make your own breaks? The Pats weren't able to capitalize on the breaks that they got. Bradshaw, getting his own fumble and the 12 man penalty. Two chances to have the ball deep in Giants territory. I really do believe that the Pats thought they were good enough to just turn it on when they wanted to, and it almost worked.
As far as Eli goes, I believe that he has turned the corner. He has become the franchise QB they thought they were getting. Ernie Accorsi didn't get much credit last night, but the foundation of this team has his fingerprints all over them. I also thought that I heard that the Giants are the third youngesst team in the leauge. They are in good shape for the future, maybe this could be the begining of something really special.

[King Glorious]

You are taught in Pop Warner football that when a field goal can't beat you, you don't let a man get behind you. I guess Ellis Hobbs never played Pop Warner.

The Giants deserved to win. They took it to the Pats from the start. They played with more hunger and desire and purpose and earned the win. They played as well as they could play and got a couple of breaks and got the win. Anyone that doesn't see that they got a few breaks just doesn't want to see it. Samuels had both hands on a ball that easily could have been intercepted and the game would have been over. The Pats fell on a fumble and got it taken away inside the Giants 20 that could have really changed the whole game. Eli was extremely close to be called in the grasp on that miracle play to Tyree. But none of those things happened. Those are the breaks. Giants won it. The Pats didn't lose it.

I know some are going to say that the Pats choked. I don't agree with that. Choking is when you start making uncharacteristic mistakes. Start turning the ball over, dropping passes, committing silly penalties...those are mistakes. The Giants just took it from them. And to think, Coughlin was very close to not making to this season.

Eli is the real deal. The Giants should trade Shockey.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I know some are going to say that the Pats choked. I don't agree with that. Choking is when you start making uncharacteristic mistakes. Start turning the ball over, dropping passes, committing silly penalties...those are mistakes. The Giants just took it from them. And to think, Coughlin was very close to not making to this season.

They did have some pretty stupid penalties. It's been a long time since I've seen the Pats jump that many times in one game. They usually don't make those mistakes.

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

So true.
His game against Green Bay was even
better than this one. Mr. Coldweather Brett
had trouble throwing the ball straight. Eli
was a laser.

Eli clutched out for 4 straight games AWAy.
ONe in terrible conditions.

The takeaway lesson for me is, even if you
are the great Tom Brady, if you get dumped
on your as s the entire game, its hard to have
a good game. Brady was not good. It is hard
to see how any QB could have been.

So Brady basically plays perfect ball when
not pressured. Dump him on his rear, he is like
everyone else. Patriots also showed some arrogance
in completely foregoing the running game. Bill B. made
some arrogant decisions.