Giants

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I would have to say that if any team is a 12 point favorite they shouldn't need or have to rely on lucky breaks. The Giants defense did something no other team was able to do this year and put Brady on his rear end several times. And lucky breaks? 12 men on the field call wasn't lucky? The interception off the hands of Smith wasn't lucky? The lob pass that Manning missed Plexico on when he was rolling out was very very lucky for the Patriots. If the Giants convert there, then there may not have been even a need for a comeback. So, people can come up with this lucky break hogwash all they want to, but the result is what it is. Great job Giants.

No one said the Giants didnt play well. But they DID get more breaks than the other team. It is not a knock, it is an observation. The Pats got the breaks when they should have lost to the Ravens. They did not last night. Difference between winning and losing in a close game. We can agree that it was a close game cant we Giant fans? Or was it a thorough 3 point blowout?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No one said the Giants didnt play well. But they DID get more breaks than the other team. It is not a knock, it is an observation. The Pats got the breaks when they should have lost to the Ravens. They did not last night. Difference between winning and losing in a close game. We can agree that it was a close game cant we Giant fans? Or was it a thorough 3 point blowout?

I know that. Heck, I'm a Giants fan and I didn't think they'd win, but I was very impressed with their defense. They set the tone for the game. It was by no means a blowout. The giants were not going to win a shoot out. The needed to just keep the game close and have a chance to win it in the end. The Giants were similar to a Cinderella team in the NCAA. They got hot at the right time of the season.

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm just not a big fan of the luck excuse. What stood out to me was New England going pass happy on their final drive. When they got down to the Giants 29 with a little over 4 minutes remaining I was certain they were going to run the ball and milk the clock.

Bottom line is they scored too soon. The only excuse I will give the Patriots is that Belichick seemed to be off his game last night...and the final offensive drive was an indicator. Either that or the hubris was on overdrive.

They played very passively on offense. It was like they fell in love with the Jacksonville gameplan and tried to duplicate it. When they opened it up late they moved efficently. But the Giants beat up the Oline and Brady didnt seem to be the same player. Maybe it was the pressure but he missed a lot of passes by alot. Some of Welkers catches were poorly thrown and he missed quite a few easy ones. But you have to give the Giants front 7 a lot of credit. And despite my assertions that the Giants had a couple breaks on offense, they didnt have any really bad turnovers.

[The Bid]

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Am I the only person who doesnt think Eli played out of his mind?

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

Is that Aldebutante in you avatar????

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

So true.
His game against Green Bay was even
better than this one. Mr. Coldweather Brett
had trouble throwing the ball straight. Eli
was a laser.

Eli clutched out for 4 straight games AWAy.
ONe in terrible conditions.

The takeaway lesson for me is, even if you
are the great Tom Brady, if you get dumped
on your as s the entire game, its hard to have
a good game. Brady was not good. It is hard
to see how any QB could have been.

So Brady basically plays perfect ball when
not pressured. Dump him on his rear, he is like
everyone else. Patriots also showed some arrogance
in completely foregoing the running game. Bill B. made
some arrogant decisions.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I know that. Heck, I'm a Giants fan and I didn't think they'd win, but I was very impressed with their defense. They set the tone for the game. It was by no means a blowout. The giants were not going to win a shoot out. The needed to just keep the game close and have a chance to win it in the end. The Giants were similar to a Cinderella team in the NCAA. They got hot at the right time of the season.

They played great on defense and only turned it over once on offense. My point has been that they got some important breaks and that surely helped. The difference between Belichek being the greatest coach in history and a disgruntled guy who left the field early was the ball going through his best corners hands. That is not taking anything away from the Giants. I also dont buy that this is the biggest upset in history. That would be a discredit for the Giants because they are a really good team. NE beating the Rams in 2002 was a more unlikely outcome and the Jets in 69 will be hard to top. I mean they played a month ago and lost by 3 to the same team.