"You don't throw a whole life away just cause it's banged up a little"

[cakes44]

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

alcholism has been proven to be gene based and hereditery. Not to say that it's easier to get help for that than cancer, but if you smoke for 30 years or lay in the sun every summer, there has to be some level of ownership if you get cancer.

[cakes44]

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

Sorry you missed out on these

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sorry you missed out on these

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

O/T. Do you believe in the death penalty?

[cakes44]

Yes, but not like Texas-style death penalty where it turns into straight eye-for-eye. However, I do believe there are some people(very few) who have earned that right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

You make an assertion that somehow intellegence is tied to these issues and you are insulted? Maybe you are intellegent. But you may also be ignorant. Look that up.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

And I'm sorry you feel the need to insult me because my opinion is different than yours. If you want to use the dictionary definition for disease, than sure alcoholism is a disease. Under that definition, all wife-beaters also have a "disease", and I disagree. I try to narrow it down some because when think of the word "disease", I don't think of people who wouldn't be "diseased" if they decide to act differently.

putting wife beaters and alcoholics in the same category is wrong

[cakes44]

Exactly my point Bob.

Cannon, I think you misunderstood me. The reason i put the word intelligence in there is because, according to the widely used definition, those people who lack intelligence(including me in your opinion) would be considered to have a "disease" as well. We're not all wired the same. That doesn't mean that everybody with faults has a "disease", no matter how difficult that fault is to deal with for that person.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

I don't think we are disagreeing on cancer....look..I lost both parents to a type of cancer they certainly didn't "deserve"..

but you are dismissing alcoholism as a weakness or lack of intelligence when that is simply not true and is a diservice to anyone who has ever struggled with this DISEASE...yes..DISEASE. I got a DUI in 2000, something i am certainly not proud of..part of my sentence was to spend 30 days community service at a home for alcoholics who were in a very bad way. These were succesful, intelligent people for the most part who had lost everything to this sickness...family, homes, all money, etc...They did not suffer from a weakness...they suffer from a disease

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I don't think we are disagreeing on cancer....look..I lost both parents to a type of cancer they certainly didn't "deserve"..

but you are dismissing alcoholism as a weakness or lack of intelligence when that is simply not true and is a diservice to anyone who has ever struggled with this DISEASE...yes..DISEASE. I got a DUI in 2000, something i am certainly not proud of..part of my sentence was to spend 30 days community service at a home for alcoholics who were in a very bad way. These were succesful, intelligent people for the most part who had lost everything to this sickness...family, homes, all money, etc...They did not suffer from a weakness...they suffer from a disease

Well said Bob.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

You have the same outlook as many people who simply dont understand. Disease is disease whether it is physical, mental or both. Comparing diseases is folly.