O/U: how many times

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This has been going on in Universities for a long time even before the internet. I find it refreshing that they are starting to flap their wings and think critically. Its just when you are surrounded by the world of Academia, idealism is easy and practical solutions are very often mundane.

Older folks that have jobs in which they are held accountable tend to be more conservative and pragmatic. If C. Simon does not take care of his horses, get them into the right races, transport them safely, know when they are and are not ready to run... oh **** the hay is bad, on and on... C. Simon is held responsible. No blame game readily available. And then of course various outside influences (States, Tracks, Owners, etc...) intervene that have a skewed idea about C. Simon's business end (or dont really care) and start making new rules without foresight. One adjusts, tries to change the rules, or just quits. Its this way for a lot of us.

Academia is a much more comfortable world.
I remember it fondly. Unfortunately I got older
and am held accountable for things I cannot
even control in some cases. Tough luck.
But its fun navigating through problems
and its fun actually producing something.

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Not to mention socialized medicine.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Yeah, but you left out the pesky items like totally runaway spending and the resultant deficit as well as generally lousy fiscal policy that's left the dollar in the gutter and resulted in seeing U.S. gain market share in just 5 of the 100+ major industries since 2000.

And the war (which a lessening minority of people support), does affect people. How can you say that it doesn't?

Everything I've seen about Dem proposed tax hikes is limited to the top 1%/ famlies with inomes > $200,000. Are those people really typical?

And the meaningless "hot topics" are the standard fodder of all primary campaigns. Dem primaries feature the candidates going back and forth between the left and near left. GOP primaries are the same on the other end of the spectrum.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Yeah, but you left out the pesky items like totally runaway spending and the resultant deficit as well as generally lousy fiscal policy that's left the dollar in the gutter and resulted in seeing U.S. gain market share in just 5 of the 100+ major industries since 2000.

And the war (which a lessening minority of people support), does affect people. How can you say that it doesn't?

Everything I've seen about Dem proposed tax hikes is limited to the top 1%/ famlies with inomes > $200,000. Are those people really typical?

And the meaningless "hot topics" are the standard fodder of all primary campaigns. Dem primaries feature the candidates going back and forth between the left and near left. GOP primaries are the same on the other end of the spectrum.

So if taxes were raised, all the financial issues would be solved? Wouldn't runaway spending be more apt to continue with more money in the govts hands?

And the war does not effect the vast majority of people on a day to day basis. How can you say it does?

Why should our most successful people be penalized for being sucessful? That's not equality, it is class envy. And families that make over $200000 in many urban area are far from wealthy or rich and surely dont need to pay more taxes than anyone else.

And I realize why the topics are "hot" but that doesnt make them any more pertinent to everyday life. Taking more money away is.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

Obviously the 49.6% (or whatever it was) of us who voted for Gore and Kerry the last two elections don't think A=B above.


Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

What??? You can't be serious..although I know you are

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Obviously the 49.6% (or whatever it was) of us who voted for Gore and Kerry the last two elections don't think A=B above.


Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

What??? You can't be serious..although I know you are

Taking more of my money away from me effects me in far greater ways than any of the above topics.

Pro choice/pro life? how does that effect a persons ability to govern?
Stem cells? How does that effect me directly? Is it that big of a deal that I should make that a major factor in my decision?
I should or shouldnt vote for a canadate based upon his religion? When you do business with someone do you ask their religous beliefs? Of course not so what difference should it make in a politician unless they are a violent extremist?
Health care? Does anybody really believe that any canidate on either side will be able to solve this issue? Has anything been proposed that has a realistic chance of working?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Taking more of my money away from me effects me in far greater ways than any of the above topics.

and that's usually where the line is drawn in the sand

I've felt the same way since I had zippo after college to where I'm ok now...As long doing better..aka..making more money doesn't change whatever side of the line you are on, then I have to respect that opinion

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

and that's usually where the line is drawn in the sand

I've felt the same way since I had zippo after college to where I'm ok now...As long doing better..aka..making more money doesn't change whatever side of the line you are on, then I have to respect that opinion

I never said i was on either side, just that I thought it odd that anyone who made a decent living would vote for a person who takes more of their money away, typically not for their benefit. I would say that 80%+ of US college students would classify themselves as liberals. That obviously changes as they grow older.

[Mortimer]

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