O/U: how many times

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He said that the US is partially to blame for 9/11 because of our foreign policy. I nearly fell out of my chair.

If you read the full version of bin Laden's '96 Fatwa - which I believe was titled something like 'Declaration of War against the Americans for occupying the land of the two holy places' - it becomes painfully obvious that the entire basis for declaring war by bin Laden's network was because of the United States foreign policy. His case was built around that and only that.

The Fatwa was very widely circulated - in fact, it was something I had read long before 9/11. I was in high school at the time, and my sociology teacher (who had recently retired from the US Military) had something of a bin Laden obsession. He was convinced that the guy was no joke - and was something of a calculating political genius who was probably capable of low tech, high concept attacks, designed to bait or trap.

I remember on the old AOL horse board before 9/11 - I'd like to mix in a few Osama bin Laden references, jokes, and just drop his name into my posts - mostly because almost everyone there had no idea who the hell I was talking about. There are a few who post here now who remember those old gems of mine from way back in the day.

I don't blame Ron Paul at all for saying what almost made you fall out of your chair. Why, exactly, did we need our military stationed in other lands? Just because the governments there are friendly and the people are fanatical?

Our foreign policy has long been a joke - we ought to focus on our own peace and prosperity instead of trying to get involved in everyone elses business. Giving huge handouts and aid away to those governments who want to be our pals (even if said gov is evil or corrupt) - and rattling cages of all governments who don't want to be our pals.

I think Paul's point was that if we focused on just our own peace and prosperity - and not tried to be the policeman of the entire world, getting involved in everyones business - there would have been no 9/11, no Iraq war, and the Al Qadia network would have either been a non-entity or an entity who ultimately would have declared war against an Arab government. We are fighting everyone elses battles.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If you read the full version of bin Laden's '96 Fatwa - which I believe was titled something like 'Declaration of War against the Americans for occupying the land of the two holy places' - it becomes painfully obvious that the entire basis for declaring war by bin Laden's network was because of the United States foreign policy. His case was built around that and only that.

The Fatwa was very widely circulated - in fact, it was something I had read long before 9/11. I was in high school at the time, and my sociology teacher (who had recently retired from the US Military) had something of a bin Laden obsession. He was convinced that the guy was no joke - and was something of a calculating political genius who was probably capable of low tech, high concept attacks, designed to bait or trap.

I remember on the old AOL horse board before 9/11 - I'd like to mix in a few Osama bin Laden references, jokes, and just drop his name into my posts - mostly because almost everyone there had no idea who the hell I was talking about. There are a few who post here now who remember those old gems of mine from way back in the day.

I don't blame Ron Paul at all for saying what almost made you fall out of your chair. Why, exactly, did we need our military stationed in other lands? Just because the governments there are friendly and the people are fanatical?

Our foreign policy has long been a joke - we ought to focus on our own peace and prosperity instead of trying to get involved in everyone elses business. Giving huge handouts and aid away to those governments who want to be our pals (even if said gov is evil or corrupt) - and rattling cages of all governments who don't want to be our pals.

I think Paul's point was that if we focused on just our own peace and prosperity - and not tried to be the policeman of the entire world, getting involved in everyones business - there would have been no 9/11, no Iraq war, and the Al Qadia network would have either been a non-entity or an entity who ultimately would have declared war against an Arab government. We are fighting everyone elses battles.

Al Qadea was originally formed back in the 1980s to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Once they reached their goal, they didn't disband and retire. These guys are terrorists. They are cold-blooded killers and that's what they will always be. Our behavior was not responsible for 9/11. They will kill anyone that they can't control. How do you explain them putting bombs in shopping malls in Iraq? Did the shoppers at the malls do something bad to Al Qadea? There is no justification for Al Qadea's behavior. To think that most of their terrorist behavior is rational and justified is crazy. Al Qadea wants to control people through intimidation. Let's just suppose that they got everything that they claim that they want. Let's say that we left the Middle East. Let's say that Al Qadea overthrew the government in both Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Do you think they would be satisfied at that point? Do you think that Bin Laden would retire and become a family man? Of course not. He would set his sights on something else. They would start killing all the Muslims who don't practice the same brand of Islam as Al Qadea. They are already doing this right now in Iraq. They would probably try to overthrow some of the European governments through acts of terror.

I think it is a huge mistake to think that Al Qadea is a totally rational group with limited goals. It is also a huge mistake to think that most of the victims that are murdered by Al Qadea, are partially responsible because of their behavior. The truth of the matter is that they will murder anyone that does not practice their brand of Islam. Just sitting back and minding your own business, will in no way mean that Al Qadea will leave you alone.

Being an isolationist country would by no means guarantee our safety. I think we learned that lesson in World War II. I'm not saying that we shouldn't reevaluate our foreing aid and foreign policy, but I think it would be naive and shortsighted to think that we would be safer and that the world would be a safer place if we simply became an isolationist country. Quite to the contary, I think there could be some devastating consequences.

If a country is an active player on the world stage, they are not going to make everybody happy. You will certanly make some enemies. You just have to live with that because the alternative of being an isolationist country is not a viable alternative.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Being an isolationist country would by no means guarantee our safety. I think we learned that lesson in World War II. I'm not saying that we shouldn't reevaluate our foreing aid and foreign policy, but I think it would be naive and shortsighted to think that we would be safer and that the world would be a safer place if we simply became an isolationist country. Quite to the contary, I think there could be some devastating consequences.

If a country is an active player on the world stage, they are not going to make everybody happy. You will certanly make some enemies. You just have to live with that because the alternative of being an isolationist country is not a viable alternative.

I wanted to type something very much like
the above concerning foreign affairs.

We also must remember the tremendous number
of groups in this country that go out purely for
humanitarian reasons with no poliltical agenda.

Doctors without borders, and a number of religious
groups that make it illegal to "spread the word of
God" while doing charity work abroad. There are so
many groups in this country with nothing but good
intentions for starving and disease ridden areas outside
our country. You just dont hear about them. But I know
some of these Doctors and others of good will that make
these journeys into very tough situations.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it is a huge mistake to think that Al Qadea is a totally rational group with limited goals.

Of course they don't have limited goals - and there leadership is obviously very rational and competent when it comes to fighting the way they have since they openly declared war on us.

The top two guys in their orginization have done a masterful job of outmaneuvering us and trapping us all along.

If they really anticipated that by executing the 9/11 attacks, they could bait our government into an invasion of both Afghanistan in Iraq - with Iraq being the primary focus - I think that must have been like hitting an inside straight and showing unthinkable tactical brilliance.

I remember in the days after 9/11 when an overwhelming amount of people swore bin Laden would be captured and Al Qadea would be dismantled within just weeks. They would argue because they wildly underestimated bin Laden.

It goes without saying that you must make an ALL OUT effort to try and capture or kill bin Laden and Al-Zhuari.

Without Al Qadea - there are simply no such networks that are any threat to us. Anyone who believes there are also probably believes in the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

There are Al Qadea who have moved into Iraq and blended in since Suddam's government fell - these Al Qadea that are in Iraq now are the sh!t eating, low-IQ, crazed extremist recruits. They are there to cautiously raise hell - and they are most of all planted there to keep us in Iraq for as long as possible.

If we leave Iraq - you will see a spastic amount of violence from this group, they will also declare victory over us - but that would be the single biggest blow to Al Qadea's ultimate goal.

You need not even know who they are what they are about - if you simply just read what bin Laden wrote in his declaration of War against us - you will know that Al Qadea desperately wants us and needs us in Iraq.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Of course they don't have limited goals - and there leadership is obviously very rational and competent when it comes to fighting the way they have since they openly declared war on us.

The top two guys in their orginization have done a masterful job of outmaneuvering us and trapping us all along.

If they really anticipated that by executing the 9/11 attacks, they could bait our government into an invasion of both Afghanistan in Iraq - with Iraq being the primary focus - I think that must have been like hitting an inside straight and showing unthinkable tactical brilliance.

I remember in the days after 9/11 when an overwhelming amount of people swore bin Laden would be captured and Al Qadea would be dismantled within just weeks. They would argue because they wildly underestimated bin Laden.

It goes without saying that you must make an ALL OUT effort to try and capture or kill bin Laden and Al-Zhuari.

Without Al Qadea - there are simply no such networks that are any threat to us. Anyone who believes there are also probably believes in the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa.

There are Al Qadea who have moved into Iraq and blended in since Suddam's government fell - these Al Qadea that are in Iraq now are the sh!t eating, low-IQ, crazed extremist recruits. They are there to cautiously raise hell - and they are most of all planted there to keep us in Iraq for as long as possible.

If we leave Iraq - you will see a spastic amount of violence from this group, they will also declare victory over us - but that would be the single biggest blow to Al Qadea's ultimate goal.

You need not even know who they are what they are about - if you simply just read what bin Laden wrote in his declaration of War against us - you will know that Al Qadea desperately wants us and needs us in Iraq.

I don't know how you can debate effectively with someone when they choose to ignore the facts and take everything our government says as the truth. Here is alot of evidence to prove that you are right and to show how completely ridiculous our current foreign policy. I already posted a link to the origins on Al-Qaeda in another post to support the argument that we (mostly you) are making because I don't think the other messages got through. At the end are videos that I think every American should watch. WAKE UP AMERICA, and start thinking!

You are right. Osama bin Laden is a very soft-spoken man. Also, we have been engaged in more wars since we have established our intervention foreign policy than we ever did when we had the non-intervention foreign policy. In addition, the Pearl Harbor argument is weak because our intervention-based foreign policy obviously didn't stop 9/11 from occurring. On the contrary...

bin Laden on why he attacked the U.S. The correct translation that the government doesn't want you to see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0

Here is something that the U.S. government would have never let you seen on TV. Thank you youtube. Benazir Bhutta saying that Osama bin Laden was murdered in Pakistan just before she was assassinated. Notice how the reporter in England doesn't question her on what she said. Does the rest of the world know something that Americans don't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg

And here is the Wikipedia article on our joke of a foreign policy called PNAC which calls for a NWO. Notice that Bill Kristol is the founder. Yes, that is Bill Kristol from Fox News. Whoever doesn't think that the government has control of the media is living in a fantasy world. Notice how it would be very easy for our civil liberties to be infringed upon based on this foreign policy, not to even mention trying the fact that it does really sound like the government is trying to rule the world based on this document. Also, notice very carefully that PNAC "couldn't have been accomplished in a short amount of time unless a new Pearl Harbor occurred". A new study finds that at 60% of Americans find that the government was at least negligent throughout 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

And people have the audacity to wonder why Ron Paul does have quite a few supporters. He is the the only one in the GOP race that has any damn sense concerning foreign policy.

Here is some other evidence to think about concerning 9/11. The Japanese Parliament on January 10, 2008 stated that 9/11 was definitely allowed to occur or an inside job. They present stock trading evidence to support this claim, in addition to tons of other evidence. Yet, why weren't we told of this? Shouldn't this story about the Japanese Parliament's testimonies be circulating in the MSM? Just throwing it out there as it is something to think about.... I haven't come to a final conclusion on these findings yet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A43IxJcFJEw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-dZiNE9NI&NR=1

You can find all of the other videos of this discussion made by the Japanese Parliament on youtube.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

And people have the audacity to wonder why Ron Paul does have quite a few supporters. He is the the only one in the GOP race that has any damn sense concerning foreign policy.

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

You don't forget everything else, but you can forgive it.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You don't forget everything else, but you can forgive it.

Its very hard to forgive a
person who can suck people
in like a Hitler. He is so fake
it makes me want to puke.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

you can't argue with youtube. silly!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you can't argue with youtube. silly!

Sure you can, at least, with some of them...what made you come to that conclusion?

The videos that I presented from the Japanese Parliament, Benazir Bhutto, and Osama bin Laden are real. Why? Because they were shown on national television in other countries. Just not here in the U.S. Now, the validity of the evidence in their testimonies can be disputed if proper evidence was proven to the contrary, but the actual words that came out of their mouths while on national TV cannot.

Was Osama bin Laden really murdered? That can be disputed. Did Benazir Bhutto really say that? You cannot dispute that as it has already been established as a proven fact that she said it. You get the idea...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This man is one of the biggest racists
in Texas. Jeez Louise... Take a look at
his past. He has quite a few supporters
because he SAYS some things that make
sense. But actions say otherwise.

Take a look and find out what this
man said about pickpocketing in
DC. You just dont take what a man
says right now and forget everything else.

Please point me to a link that talks about Ron Paul's statements about pickpocketing because I can't find the information on pick-pocketing anywhere.

Also, the HardBall with Chris Matthews when Ron Paul was his guest are all over the internet. Yet, I can't find where he mentioned the Civil War...Perhaps you were talking about Tim Russert.

Look, Ron Paul did write some things that weren't politically correct in the past. I know that. I don't ignore that. But, I forgive him because I don't have any other choice but to vote for him. It is my duty as an American to keep the war loving GOPs out of the presidency.

In addition, he is more successful that most would ever hope to be, and makes more money than most would ever hope to. He made it at one of the top universities in the country that many people flunk out of, and he got an MD from there no less. So, logical thinking leads me to believe he isn't the idiot that some on here make him out to be. He is a doctor and he keeps getting elected. I guess the Texans that keep electing him over and over again must ALL be stupid

I thought you were supposed to be a professor? So, why don't you present a valid argument about the issues at stake here instead of spewing out false and weak statements. Because you are just wasting your time otherwise. Those of us who support Ron Paul are in it for the long run. And obviously, Ron Paul supporters have to possess a lot of integrity and guts to admit the unfavorable view that the mainstream media gives us. I respect anyone who goes against the odds to support him.

BTW, who's your candidate?

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Please point me to a link that talks about Ron Paul's statements about pickpocketing because I can't find the information on pick-pocketing anywhere.

Also, the HardBall with Chris Matthews when Ron Paul was his guest are all over the internet. Yet, I can't find where he mentioned the Civil War...Perhaps you were talking about Tim Russert.

Look, Ron Paul did write some things that weren't politically correct in the past, but he is more successful that most would ever hope to be, and makes more money than most would ever hope to. I guess the Texans that keep electing him over and over again must ALL be stupid

I thought you were supposed to be a professor? So, why don't you present a valid argument about the issues at stake here instead of spewing out false and weak statements.

Who's your candidate?

You are absolutely correct.
It was Tim Russert.
So go find that and explain to me what he said.
Tell me where I minced words.

Yes all the Texans in his sweet little
rich corner of the world in a wealthy
Houston area. Anyone can get elected to
the House.
Marion Barry was elected
again after getting busted for drugs.
Cant rich white people be as stupid?

Politically correct?

Professor? I am a lowly Physics teacher.

And I dont care what the issues are in his case.
He is a certified nut imo. He is so out of bounds
I cant even consider him as a viable person
to be in government (which he would rather
did not exist)

There is so much crap from this guy I dont
have the time. I will try and find his statement
about the pickpockets. But you dig for the rest
if you really care.

My candidate:
I dont know.
It will be very difficult
between Obama and McCain.
Wont be Hillary. If it is Romney
and Hillary, I guess Romney.
Probably McCain. But I am
wavering because he is pandering
so much right now to get elected.
Which I realize is necessary.

[Mortimer]

^^^ Has no idea who this guy is.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Why are you guys wasting so much time arguing about a guy who has zero chance of getting the GOP nomination?

^^^Wants to vote for Perot,but afraid to ask if he's running.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

a guy who has zero chance of getting the GOP nomination?

We established that fact about 8 pages ago....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You can find all of the other videos of this discussion made by the Japanese Parliament on youtube.

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

i was trying to get that point across...you did a better job than i did.

kyrim, i really think that for whatever reason (perhaps liberal teachings from liberal profs?) that you have latched onto one topic (a supposed potential war with iran) and have gone to every site to find any and all postings to bolster your argument. then you latch onto a kook as your savior in all things political, at the same time conceding he has zero chance to get in office, thus saving you from yourself. after all, there is no worry of repercussions from such a horrid choice.
this election is about far more than just one topic. the economy, the already existing wars (and mccain took a lot of heat for supporting the surge, and has been vindicated by its successes--and besides that, i somehow doubt that a man who was a POW for six years woul be in awful hurry to take us into a war on a third front) social security, recession, china, taxes, budgets, the overal bloated federal govt-due to states abrogating their responsibilities.
the 'war' test should not be the only reason to vote or not vote for someone, just like abortion shouldn't be the only reason. or youth.
you take the issues, you look at the candidates, and you pick the best overall choice.
or stick your head in the sand while chanting no war and vote for ron paul...lol ron paul, gimme a break.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

This has been going on in Universities for a long time even before the internet. I find it refreshing that they are starting to flap their wings and think critically. Its just when you are surrounded by the world of Academia, idealism is easy and practical solutions are very often mundane.

Older folks that have jobs in which they are held accountable tend to be more conservative and pragmatic. If C. Simon does not take care of his horses, get them into the right races, transport them safely, know when they are and are not ready to run... oh **** the hay is bad, on and on... C. Simon is held responsible. No blame game readily available. And then of course various outside influences (States, Tracks, Owners, etc...) intervene that have a skewed idea about C. Simon's business end (or dont really care) and start making new rules without foresight. One adjusts, tries to change the rules, or just quits. Its this way for a lot of us.

Academia is a much more comfortable world.
I remember it fondly. Unfortunately I got older
and am held accountable for things I cannot
even control in some cases. Tough luck.
But its fun navigating through problems
and its fun actually producing something.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

This has been going on in Universities for a long time even before the internet. I find it refreshing that they are starting to flap their wings and think critically. Its just when you are surrounded by the world of Academia, idealism is easy and practical solutions are very often mundane.

Older folks that have jobs in which they are held accountable tend to be more conservative and pragmatic. If C. Simon does not take care of his horses, get them into the right races, transport them safely, know when they are and are not ready to run... oh **** the hay is bad, on and on... C. Simon is held responsible. No blame game readily available. And then of course various outside influences (States, Tracks, Owners, etc...) intervene that have a skewed idea about C. Simon's business end (or dont really care) and start making new rules without foresight. One adjusts, tries to change the rules, or just quits. Its this way for a lot of us.

Academia is a much more comfortable world.
I remember it fondly. Unfortunately I got older
and am held accountable for things I cannot
even control in some cases. Tough luck.
But its fun navigating through problems
and its fun actually producing something.

Everybodys a liberal when they are in college. Then they get out, make a few dollars and see the error of their ways. Personally I find it hard to believe that any sane person that makes a decent enough living that they dont qualify for any social programs would ever vote for someone that would raise your taxes. Abortion, the war, stem cells, religion, etc. and all the usual hot topics rarely effect the day to day lives of the typical american like a tax hike does.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

If you bothered to read IDs assessment of bin Laden, it was correct.

PNAC was created by our government before 9/11. In the document, states the need to secure valuable resources from the Middle East. You can find that document anywhere and read it. That is a factual document on our foreign policy. You can find it on Wikipedia, within the archives of our government...anywhere. It is just laid out in an easier format to read on Wikipedia, which I thought would be best.

Also, quit saying false statements just because they fit your argument. A single Japanese politician did not say those things about 9/11. Just about every member within that Parliament agreed with him that they needed to carry out an investigation starting from the beginning because there were too many holes. He just led the attack.

Nowhere did I say the Jap's version was the truth either. I just said that some of their accusations are a possibility. I threw the notions out there as a test to see how open-minded the people on this board were...well, I got my answer. I would be a lot happier if these accusations were proven to be false, despite you saying that I see what I want to see.

I am a scientist. I am a realist. Fantasy worlds are for the weak. As a scientist, I must be very open-minded. I look at problems from every possible angle with an unbiased perspective. If you choose to not acknowledge these things and ignore them, then continue to live in your fantasy world that they NEVER could have occurred. Continue to believe that the U.S. couldn't possibly torture people despite Canada putting us on their torture list, and despite the White House destroying tapes of interrogations against the Supreme Court's wishes. Continue to believe that our government couldn't possibly be negligent with 9/11. I will not, because a possibilty exists to the contrary. I will reserve judgment until the proper investigations are performed, but I will not sit there and stupidly think that it never could have happened.

It is the opposite. You see what you want to see.

And just for the record, I am very conservative and go to one of the top ranked universities in the world. The average entering freshman GPA is a 4.33.