O/U: how many times

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes. I like Ron Paul's ideas on paper, especially when it comes to economics. He has some of the biggest names in economics backing him. My main concern is this country's financial state, and he seems to be the only one up there who knows what they're talking about. Plus, he'll bring the troops home from an unjust war.

The rest of the Republicans might as well be Democrats. At least the Dems are talking about bringing the troops home, but socialism just doesn't set well with me.

Mainly, I would be happy at this point if McCain and Clinton were kept out of office because I know that Ron Paul won't get elected.

And I know what the MSM calls most Ron Paul supporters. It's sad that people actually believe them. Of course, with any candidate you have your nut jobs...

Luckily, I don't really care what everyone else has to say about Ron Paul supporters...

Who do you support? <smirks>

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

The legacy will be an example
of a president trying to make his
branch of government stronger.
In brute force manner.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The legacy will be an example
of a president trying to make his
branch of government stronger.
In brute force manner.

pg...i get/agree w/ that...but w/out 9/11..

what would he have done?

as much as I dislike him, I truly believe he would never wish that on anyone

but..what would he have done without it?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

Don't you remember,man? Liar got elected because he claimed he was a uniter(not a divider.)Said he was the compassionate conservative.People bought that load.Soon as he got in he went to cutting taxes for the richest.Now,McCain is having to lie (in the opposite direction.)Bush was much more conservative(and way too stubborn to unite anything) than he portrayed himself,and McCain is much less conservative than he is portraying himself. Conservatives won the last lie,and moderates are gunna win with this lie.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't you remember,man? Liar got elected because he claimed he was a uniter(not a divider.)Said he was the compassionate conservative.People bought that load.Soon as he got in he went to cutting taxes for the richest.Now,McCain is having to lie (in the opposite direction.)Bush was much more conservative(and way too stubborn to unite anything) than he portrayed himself,and McCain is much less conservative than he is portraying himself. Conservatives won the last lie,and moderates are gunna win with this lie.

yeah..."Uniter", Compassionate Conservative"..of course...how can I forget. Took so much shite for not liking him

funny...not sure what is more important..who I'm voting for, or how scared that I might lose. Fear drove me the last 12 years..50/50 record...Thankful that if Barack ( hopefule nominee) loses, then McCain won't be a disaster

who the hell would be his VP??
never thought about that

Originally Posted by GBBob

If 9/11 didn't happen, what would dubya's legacy be? What was he trying to accomplish? Social Security reform?..Gay bashing?..Unification?...um..ok..
I can't remember what platform he ran under to beat Gore in the first place.

His entire presidency is framed by 9/11 and the ramifications of his Irag revenge....budget blown..check, Halliburton flourishing..check, etc

The platform was the "I hate the lying
Democrat that got his frog sucked by
his aide in the Oval office and was
able to lie in front of
the whole nation while looking straight
at the camera"

Think that about did it.

9/11 did change Bush's entire view of
the world. He also brought the Nation
the "no child left behind" which has been
pretty much a disaster. Not a bad idea
in theory.

Bush was extremely naive in putting all
his cronies into positions that actually
required competence. Lots of presidents
do this with minor positions, like ambassadors.
Bush did it with important positions.

Dick Cheney has had a huge effect on the
presidency. Probably will go down as one of
the most powerful VP's ever.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The platform was the "I hate the lying
Democrat that got his frog sucked by
his aide in the Oval office and was
able to lie in front of
the whole nation while looking straight
at the camera"

Think that about did it.

9/11 did change Bush's entire view of
the world. He also brought the Nation
the "no child left behind" which has been
pretty much a disaster. Not a bad idea
in theory.

Bush was extremely naive in putting all
his cronies into positions that actually
required competence. Lots of presidents
do this with minor positions, like ambassadors.
Bush did it with important positions.

Dick Cheney has had a huge effect on the
presidency. Probably will go down as one of
the most powerful VP's ever.

Really?

you don't think that was just the fight he was looking for?

*Disclaimer: GW did not want us to be attacked

Originally Posted by GBBob

Really?

you don't think that was just the fight he was looking for?

*Disclaimer: GW did not want us to be attacked

Nah.
I dont believe the stuff about his Dad.
George the First stopped short of completely
overrunning Baghdad because he knew it
would create chaos. I think the people who
think GW planned 9/11 are completely and utterly
nuts.

We could have easily wiped out Saddam in
the first Gulf war.

No I really believe Bush thought Iraq was a threat
Biologically and from a Nuclear perspective. Then
when nothing was found, the "oh well, lets get rid
of Saddam and create a democracy" excuse was given.

No one seems to remember how scared everyone was
at the time. No one remembers how many times Iraq
was allowed to come clean and they did not. I did not
read one post or article anywhere that said the WMD
thing is a sham for going in at the time. Only after the
fact. The entire Congress got the report and they all
believed that Iraq had WMD's, some just did not want
to go in and take them out. No one disagreed about
taking the Taliban out of Afg. because they were harboring
Osama. That is all forgotten. BTW, we are still in Afg. and
it is also a mess. I still hear very little about how this little
foray was also illegitimate.

Everything is much clearer in hindsight. I remember too
much about what was said at the time from Democrats
and Republicans.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Nah.
I dont believe the stuff about his Dad.
George the First stopped short of completely
overrunning Baghdad because he knew it
would create chaos. I think the people who
think GW planned 9/11 are completely and utterly
nuts.

We could have easily wiped out Saddam in
the first Gulf war.

No I really believe Bush thought Iraq was a threat
Biologically and from a Nuclear perspective. Then
when nothing was found, the "oh well, lets get rid
of Saddam and create a democracy" excuse was given.

No one seems to remember how scared everyone was
at the time. No one remembers how many times Iraq
was allowed to come clean and they did not. I did not
read one post or article anywhere that said the WMD
thing is a sham for going in at the time. Only after the
fact. The entire Congress got the report and they all
believed that Iraq had WMD's, some just did not want
to go in and take them out. No one disagreed about
taking the Taliban out of Afg. because they were harboring
Osama. That is all forgotten. BTW, we are still in Afg. and
it is also a mess. I still hear very little about how this little
foray was also illegitimate.

Everything is much clearer in hindsight. I remember too
much about what was said at the time from Democrats
and Republicans.

Hindsight...aka...second guessing does make it easier..agreed

my issue is with the rush to war after 9/11 and gdubs pushing of wmd

And no..the entire congress did NOT believe that Iraq had WMDs...and those that were on the fence trusted that gov from Texas and Colin, who trusted that guv from Texas, converted many of the remainders.

off topic..I saw that dubya had an 84% rating after 9/11 and a 34% rating today. I'll admit that I was a basher before and a basher after..please, someone who loved him after 9/11 and is not with him now please explain because to me he's the same evil man

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Hey,Americans were dumb enough to vote for Bush twice.As a whole,the people in the Nascar loving states are pretty dumb.That's enough to blow it for the rest of the country.Ron Paul has as much chance of getting elected as Sara Lee.

Two presidents come to mind.

Both from the advanced state of
california. Richard Millhose Nixon and
Ronald Reagan. Take pride Scuds.

BTW. The most liberal candidate still in
the race is from South Carolina. You know, the State
with the Confederate flag...

So much for broad generalizations.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Two presidents come to mind.

Both from the advanced state of
california. Richard Millhose Nixon and
Ronald Reagan. Take pride Scuds.

BTW. The most liberal candidate still in
the race is from South Carolina. You know, the State
with the Confederate flag...

So much for broad generalizations.

I said as a whole.You live in a state where the majority are dumb.Maybe the other 49% aren't dumb,but you're outnumbered.Compared to Reagan,GEEDUBBYA has the brain of a dog.Nixon wasn't dumb,but he was mentally ill(paranoid son bitch.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I said as a whole.You live in a state where the majority are dumb.Maybe the other 49% aren't dumb,but you're outnumbered.Compared to Reagan,GEEDUBBYA has the brain of a dog.Nixon wasn't dumb,but he was mentally ill(paranoid son bitch.)

No comment.
This is dumb.

From my small sample size:

I got two kids from California at
the semester break in Physics.
They got taught next to nothing
and are way behind. Good kids,
good families. But they dont know
Physics at all.

So I guess Californian's are dumb.
Or just uneducated. WTF are you
guys teaching your kids besides next
to nothing?

The city I live in on the whole is uneducated
because it is poor. If you have not figured out
the relationship between socio-economic status
and education... I dont know what to tell you.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I wish the following states(and portions of states) would unite to form their own conservative country of "NASCARTONIA." Just let them go(like that Iglesias guy finally did with that mole he had.)Gotta be a way to make that happen.

TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,ARKANSAS,LOUISIANA,MISSISS.,BAMA,.. ......both Carolinas,Georgia,Tenn.,and Northern Florida.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I wish the following states(and portions of states) would unite to form their own conservative country of "NASCARTONIA." Just let them go(like that Iglesias guy finally did with that mole he had.)Gotta be a way to make that happen.

TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,ARKANSAS,LOUISIANA,MISSISS.,BAMA,.. ......both Carolinas,Georgia,Tenn.,and Northern Florida.

My wife has relatives in Penn.
that collect NASCAR cards.
They asked me who my favorite
driver was...

We had other folks over and we kinda
looked at them like what the hell.
So I said my favorite driver was
Willie Shoemaker.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I wish the following states(and portions of states) would unite to form their own conservative country of "NASCARTONIA." Just let them go(like that Iglesias guy finally did with that mole he had.)Gotta be a way to make that happen.

TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,ARKANSAS,LOUISIANA,MISSISS.,BAMA,.. ......both Carolinas,Georgia,Tenn.,and Northern Florida.

you are aware, aren't you, that arkansas traditionally votes democrat? we have a dem gov, and two dem senators.
huck(who i do NOT care for) was a very liberal minded republican, which is how he got in office.
boy, you know all about that 'uniting' yoursel, with all of your broad generalizations...coming from a guy living in a state with ahnold as gov. what a hoot.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Danzig

huck(who i do NOT care for) was a very liberal minded republican, which is how he got in office.

He's a social conservative and is otherwise a populist.

Populisim and what goes for conservatisim these days really don't mix well - so while Huck is far from conservative outside of most social issues - he's not exactly anything too close to what goes for "liberal minded" these days either.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He said that the US is partially to blame for 9/11 because of our foreign policy. I nearly fell out of my chair.

If you read the full version of bin Laden's '96 Fatwa - which I believe was titled something like 'Declaration of War against the Americans for occupying the land of the two holy places' - it becomes painfully obvious that the entire basis for declaring war by bin Laden's network was because of the United States foreign policy. His case was built around that and only that.

The Fatwa was very widely circulated - in fact, it was something I had read long before 9/11. I was in high school at the time, and my sociology teacher (who had recently retired from the US Military) had something of a bin Laden obsession. He was convinced that the guy was no joke - and was something of a calculating political genius who was probably capable of low tech, high concept attacks, designed to bait or trap.

I remember on the old AOL horse board before 9/11 - I'd like to mix in a few Osama bin Laden references, jokes, and just drop his name into my posts - mostly because almost everyone there had no idea who the hell I was talking about. There are a few who post here now who remember those old gems of mine from way back in the day.

I don't blame Ron Paul at all for saying what almost made you fall out of your chair. Why, exactly, did we need our military stationed in other lands? Just because the governments there are friendly and the people are fanatical?

Our foreign policy has long been a joke - we ought to focus on our own peace and prosperity instead of trying to get involved in everyone elses business. Giving huge handouts and aid away to those governments who want to be our pals (even if said gov is evil or corrupt) - and rattling cages of all governments who don't want to be our pals.

I think Paul's point was that if we focused on just our own peace and prosperity - and not tried to be the policeman of the entire world, getting involved in everyones business - there would have been no 9/11, no Iraq war, and the Al Qadia network would have either been a non-entity or an entity who ultimately would have declared war against an Arab government. We are fighting everyone elses battles.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you are aware, aren't you, that arkansas traditionally votes democrat? we have a dem gov, and two dem senators.
huck(who i do NOT care for) was a very liberal minded republican, which is how he got in office.
boy, you know all about that 'uniting' yoursel, with all of your broad generalizations...coming from a guy living in a state with ahnold as gov. what a hoot.

John Daly's home state...Walmart headquarters.....People in the main University in the state wear pig attire,and make pig sounds.Also,I don't want a jagged northern horizontal border for this Redneck dominated Republic of NASCARTONIA!!!!!!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

John Daly's home state...Walmart headquarters.....People in the main University in the state wear pig attire,and make pig sounds.Also,I don't want a jagged northern horizontal border for this Redneck dominated Republic of NASCARTONIA!!!!!!!

so....how many nascar races held in california now?

i just don't agree with people who make generalizations about whole groups of people. that would be like me saying all californians think they're smarter and better than the rest of the country based on reading your posts.