IEAH buys into Court Vision

[blackthroatedwind]

I have a hard time believing that horse could get paid $10K for 100 covers.

And, I'm not quite sure the horse business will be unaffected by a recession.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I have a hard time believing that horse could get paid $10K for 100 covers.

And, I'm not quite sure the horse business will be unaffected by a recession.

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

I left that softball for you.....and I didn't want to research on exact races he won.

I think the bottom side of Court Vision is what has people all up in arms and gaga

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Only somewhat? He won the Blue Grass, was second in the Travers, and third in the JCGC ( which, for whatever it's worth, he would have won if he didn't break his leg ).

I think he was more than somewhat more accomplished.

I seriously doubt finishing third in the JCGC did anything for his stud career (although i don't disagree he was best, I bet him in that race). His second in the Travers was very good, but again, that doesn't add all that much to his stallion value (and yes... I bet him in that race too.) That leaves the Blue Grass... while a very important race, hasn't been a stallion producer either.

You gotta remember who we're dealing with in the breeding industry... bloodlines mean just as much as race accomplishments.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Cliff's Edge covered 55 mares in 2007, his third year at stud. That likely means less than 40 live foals. To count on 100 a year for 3 years with a questionable stallion prospect doesn't seem very realistic.

Agreed, however that's what I've been told the formula is.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

Cliff's Edge covered 55 mares in 2007, his third year at stud. That likely means less than 40 live foals. To count on 100 a year for 3 years with a questionable stallion prospect doesn't seem very realistic.

[slotdirt]

I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

We all know Haskin has an affinity for slow horses.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

We all know Haskin has an affinity for slow horses.

He did tout Bandit though!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't have the link in front of me, but Steve Haskin lists Court Vision as his #1 Derby prospect at this point on the Derby Trail. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing, just stating that fact.

Based off that alone - I think it's fair to say Haskin couldn't handicap his way out of a paper bag.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Based off that alone - I think it's fair to say Haskin couldn't handicap his way out of a paper bag.

i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i can see byks eyes bugging out...lol

He doesn't have Court Vision #1 I hope....

Haskin writes well anyway.

[slotdirt]

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43400

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

100 is doubtful, but that's what they calculate off of.

FYI, my $10k estimation is based off of The Cliff's Edge who stands for that amount, who has a similar pedigree and only somewhat more accomplished (despite being certainly faster).

The Cliff's Edge is by the same sire - but has a MUCH inferior female family.

However, he was also MUCH more horse than CV.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Cliff's Edge is by the same sire - but has a MUCH inferior female family.

However, he was also MUCH more horse than CV.

You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.

I stand by my $10k stud fee assessment on Court Vision.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

You sure about that?

To this point in their career they have very similar credentials. Cliff's Edge didn't run a real fast race at 2 either despite two graded stakes wins.

You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You are wrong about that. The Cliff's edge got a 101 Beyer in his second to last 2yo start - and a 94 Beyer in his final start - while giving weight all around and racing wide. Both graded stakes wins.

He was already Jerry Brown's Derby horse at this point I believe.

If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's all about consistancy....and Phil's just trying to keep all of his posts in this thread of equal inaccuracy.

I'm trying hard.

But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

If the Beyers were that high I stand corrected, I remembered them both being below 90.

His 101 Beyer in the Iroquios was the highest ever earned in the history of that race.

Harlan's Holiday's 99 is 2nd. Exploit's 98 is 3rd.

www.drf.com/row/pps/thecliffsedge.pdf

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

But my point remains the same: Court Vision would be a $10k sire if he retired today.

When he retires his fee will be around 1k.