IEAH buys into Court Vision

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Looks like a keyrace. Maybe they should hire you to do their analysis. Its very easy to get caught in a trap with a mediocre horse beating s hit and doing it the right way.

I did also forget to include how much slower the Remsen was than the Demoiselle.

NT

[The Bid]

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Maybe that read differently than how I meant it. I do think its a bad race, and I do think the horse is a phoney, and I do think it was well sold by Winstar

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Sorry then, I took it the wrong way. I bought How to Interpret Internet Sarcasm for Dummies and it clearly hasn't taken.

NT

[The Bid]

Most people on the outside looking in will agree that was a badrace. However its the Remsen, it carries a lot of weight eventhough the horses in it were subpar. Hopefully for them he matures into a legitiment Derby contender

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I agree with you 100 percent.

Its easy to spend other peoples money. Its not easy to select good horses

Maybe that read differently than how I meant it. I do think its a bad race, and I do think the horse is a phoney, and I do think it was well sold by Winstar

Honestly in this case I don't think IEAH even cares that he's probably too slow to win the Derby, he's got a good chance of getting there and that's all they want, to pimp their product and that's obviously the biggest stage to do it on.

On BC day there were more people with IEAH gear on than any other thing... kind of disappointing


Disclaimer... I do like the horse, bet him heavy in the CD race and made a nice score. Just don't like IEAH.

[The Bid]

They market well!

All big name syndicates put horses where they do not belong to pimp the product. Westpoint, Dogwood, they all do it. Dogwood may have the best of the bunch in Blackberry Road, but I think he would like to run on the grass.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

While Court Vision has a spectacular pedigree - and is bred to run forever as well as get better with age - he still has proven to be nothing more than a slowpoke plodder of very modest talent so far.

I haven't heard anyone mention this - but Court Vision is a full sibling to the medicore racehorse Kipling.

Kipling happens to be the sire of IEAH's star Kip Deville.

As obviously mentioned - the Dam of Court Vision is a full to Summer Squall and a half to A. P. Indy

Basically, they bought themselves a multiple graded stakes winner - with a nice stallion pedigree - who just so happens to be not very much horse at all.

[The Bid]

Of course that probably played into them paying a premium

I like Kipling, he really hasnt gotten any decent mares and has been productive, it will be interesting to see what he does with a mare upgrade. I do not like Court Vision, I think hes a crow

[mp3]

I am lost. They bought themselves a well bred graded stakes winner with a stallions pedigree who is a derby contender and they are getting knocked. Somebody help me

[The Bid]

MP3. Hes not a ready made stallion just because of the Remsen. That horse has a lot left to do before that pedigree even enters the equation. What did they pay? Its hard to completely knock the aquisition unless we know the purchase price. If they paid 500k for half its a a good buy. If the valuation was over a million for that horse, then they are on their heels from the jump

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by mp3

I am lost. They bought themselves a well bred graded stakes winner with a stallions pedigree who is a derby contender and they are getting knocked. Somebody help me

I think you just answered your own question. Anytime a wealthy breeding operation sells a horse like you just described it is only because they were offered far more than they thought the horse was worth.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by mp3

I am lost. They bought themselves a well bred graded stakes winner with a stallions pedigree who is a derby contender and they are getting knocked. Somebody help me

They aren't getting knocked......people are being kind actually.

Every 3YO is theoretically a " derby contender " so in that regard I suppose you aren't wrong. However, the general point being made is that his hype is not even remotely justified by his talent.

They didn't do anything clever. They more than likely paid way too much for their share of this horse. Time will tell......but just because a couple of their buys have panned out doesn't make their overall decision making exceptional.