No prying eyes at a private training center

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think you are being a little naive.

If anyone really wanted to do any real "chicanery" - the current security that is in place would NEVER be enough to stop them.

I'm not saying get rid of all security - in fact, anyone who wants back there should have to first talk with a security guard.

I'm not being naive, and I understand what you're saying, but I still don't believe the public should be allowed unfettered access to the backstretch. It's a place of business, where the participants are prepared for the public part of the business.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm not being naive, and I understand what you're saying, but I still don't believe the public should be allowed unfettered access to the backstretch. It's a place of business, where the participants are prepared for the public part of the business.

I, myself, have got "unfettered" access to the backstretch at both KEE and Saratoga - going barn to barn with no credientals on me and no security in sight. Obviously tracks with expensive horses.

The press collectively does an abysmal job of reporting on when they ought to be reporting on...I think it's a major disservice to an on-track fan to have to rely upon their hackery ... when they can simply use their own legs and find out what they want to find out.

You're also denying the public an oppertunity to observe on their own time. Which should never happen in a sport with dying popularity.

I think it's a little silly to think anyone is going to really disrupt any of the "business" that goes on back there.

[blackthroatedwind]

You have a point that you want to make and are not taking the time to look at the big picture. Not particularly unusual on the internet.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You have a point that you want to make and are not taking the time to look at the big picture. Not particularly unusual on the internet.

What is the big picture? That people should have to spend $30 for a license - which would give them all the unfettered access they want at any circuit in the country - and get them past security no questions asked?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What is the big picture? That people should have to spend $30 for a license - which would give them all the unfettered access they want at any circuit in the country - and get them past security no questions asked?

Someone might throw a cobra venom dart.
You could then blame the unknown demon.

Based on what trainers hint at, they have more
to fear from employee's from other trainers
than the general public.

I see your point. You pay 30 dollars so that automatically
means your clean. BTW might have had a terrorist fly a
plane into his face, so metal detectors are the next step.
no little bottles of shampoo, take your boots off

Personally I would want to control the number of people
and how close they can get to what can be very skittish animals.
People and animals could get hurt.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Someone might throw a cobra venom dart.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...highlight=dart

Agree with BTW here.....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...highlight=dart

Agree with BTW here.....

That imbecile doesn't speak for me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There are some great imaginations on this board...

Of this I have no doubt.

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...highlight=dart

Agree with BTW here.....

If someone wants to plant an explosive on a track here,
if they really want to, it is easily done. The guys who
pulled that in HK were complete idiots. Cmon. And that
was on the track.

No problem. I just see Drugs point about the 30 bucks.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Someone might throw a cobra venom dart.
You could then blame the unknown demon.

Based on what trainers hint at, they have more
to fear from employee's from other trainers
than the general public.

I see your point. You pay 30 dollars so that automatically
means your clean. BTW might have had a terrorist fly a
plane into his face, so metal detectors are the next step.
no little bottles of shampoo, take your boots off

Personally I would want to control the number of people
and how close they can get to what can be very skittish animals.
People and animals could get hurt.

Sorry pgardn, that was just the part that jumped out at me... (darts)

Wasn't intended as a swipe.

[NoChanceToDance]

I always wondered about barn security at tracks across America, it is considered a problem?

I don't really have much of an idea how it works, but it can't be easy having several trainers all in the same 'space'. We know that horseracing around the world isn't exactly a straight sport.

As you know, over here there are very few trainers who actually train 'on site'. There are a couple, but that's it. In Newmarket they all have separte yards, but everyone but Godolphin use the public training grounds that surround the town. Godolphin have huge amounts of land now and steadily they are buying all the farm land in and around the town to build private gallops on.

There are three main thraining centres in the UK; Newmarket, Lambourn and Middleham/Leyburn. There are many trainers scattered around that have their own gallops and training facilities that are for private use only.

I have to say I prefer it like that, but maybe that's just because what I'm used to. There are too many risks having so many horses trained at a track, where so many people go to on a daily basis and viruses can be spread easily.

[deltagulf]

i think all the snakes would come out from the grass.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I, myself, have got "unfettered" access to the backstretch at both KEE and Saratoga - going barn to barn with no credientals on me and no security in sight. Obviously tracks with expensive horses.

The press collectively does an abysmal job of reporting on when they ought to be reporting on...I think it's a major disservice to an on-track fan to have to rely upon their hackery ... when they can simply use their own legs and find out what they want to find out.

You're also denying the public an oppertunity to observe on their own time. Which should never happen in a sport with dying popularity.

I think it's a little silly to think anyone is going to really disrupt any of the "business" that goes on back there.

Do tell

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Do tell

I often get frustrated when I can't find the answers to something I want - and I'm often in disagreement on what the press reports on day to day. It's often not bad reporting that frustrates me - but not being able to find out or hear about what I want to know.

If I'm on track - and I really want to know something that hasn't been reported - I will obviously do what I can to try and find out.

On two or three instances, it's meant going to the backside.

That is only a verysmall part of the reason why I think people ought not need to be denied access to the backside. So long as they are sober - and they let a guard know their reasons.

[GBBob]

[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]I often get frustrated when I can't find the answers to something I want - and I'm often in disagreement on what the press reports on day to day. It's often not bad reporting that frustrates me - but not being able to find out or hear about what I want to know.

If I'm on track - and I really want to know something that hasn't been reported - I will obviously do what I can to try and find out.

On two or three instances, it's meant going to the backside.

That is only a verysmall part of the reason why I think people ought not need to be denied access to the backside.

So how do you compare this lack of access to other sports? I mean, I get it that they are horses vs humans, but if I can support your being "all access" as a legitimate contributor, why should "people"...assuming you are using that generally, be allowed carte blanche?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by GBBob

So how do you compare this lack of access to other sports? I mean, I get it that they are horses vs humans, but if I can support your being "all access" as a legitimate contributor, why should "people"...assuming you are using that generally, be allowed carte blanche?

People are obviously allowed access at NFL training camps - and spring training in baseball etc. - when it comes down to in-season practices though - of course you can't have people around.

There is an element of secrecy with plays and formations...and the focus is on the team they will play the upcoming week.

It takes only purchasing the cheapest license to get that access on the backside.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

People are obviously allowed access at NFL training camps - and spring training in baseball etc. - when it comes down to in-season practices though - of course you can't have people around.

There is an element of secrecy with plays and formations...and the focus is on the team they will play the upcoming week.

It takes only purchasing the cheapest license to get that access on the backside.

but fans aren't allowed into the locker room-which i would equate to the backstretch. if people want to watch the works, i would think that would be similar to being in the stands watching spring training.
but i see no reason to allow random access to the backside.
besides, liability could cause huge headaches. horses get loose, so a bystander could get run over-then who pays when joe schmo sues? the owner of the horse? the trainer? or the track?