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Old 01-15-2008, 04:41 PM
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im thinking the 6 is in better shape than the other 2/7 ..just on last works alone........and yes ill try to beat a bad fav any time.

And what makes Jet Setting a " bad favorite? "

CT Phone Home is hopeless.
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:44 PM
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the 6 broke well cleared and was hand ridden.. the 2 was bumped a bit but did not show me thats its a better horse right now...the 6 is hardly hopeless vs these..
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:46 PM
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And what makes Jet Setting a " bad favorite? "

CT Phone Home is hopeless.
horses that break bad usually do it again ...im just not sold that these two are world beaters..like i said we will see weds..
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:08 PM
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I won't be betting the race but took a look. I don't know if Jannlyn or the A Dutrow entries have run back and I don't know anything about the fillies the others have beat or run behind. But, at something like 4/5 to 6/5, I don't think all that much of Jet Setting:
- Broke bad in return
- Off 4 months and now back in 3 weeks? 3 weeks back is a bit quick to my liking.
- No work? And her work set looks a bit weak to me for a short ##. Debuted, then worked ok until she missed a work (it seems) around Oct 10. Back working end of Oct then no works for another 4-5 weeks. Then two works 17 days apart.

Between works and races, she's been on the track just twice in 6 weeks. I take that as a bad sign for any horse, especially so for a lightly raced 3 yo. And now, two races in 21 days?

I think there's a pretty good chance that she has problems.

Assuming she's even money, I'd probably pass or try to beat her. There's not another NYFN1X going short until Feb 2. If she waited for that race and had a couple good works going into it, she'd probably be about the same price she'll be tomorrow and in that spot, I could trust her at a short number easier.

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Old 01-16-2008, 01:39 PM
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horses that break bad usually do it again ...im just not sold that these two are world beaters..like i said we will see weds..
Right on. Didnt break well today.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:27 PM
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And what makes Jet Setting a " bad favorite? "

CT Phone Home is hopeless.
Not to a 'capper who takes patterns as very important. CT paired up numbers and moved forward last time. It is logical to expect a forward move again whether it will be enough of a move is debatable...so hopeless is a bit of a stretch with these.

Some of us are reasonably successful supplementing our knowledge of PP's with other methods. BTW seems to be very influenced by trip handicapping....Hooves is more of a home run typeof swinger...

I agree with the methodology about horizontals that playing completely against a favorite is a likely heart breaker so I wont belabor that.

But my own method......1) establish a likely peformance necessary too win a race with PP's 2) Establish horses likely style (assuming a change isn't likely...at times faulty but useful if holds) 3) Suggest winners based based on race shape.....speed holding,track with closing advantage etc.. 4) Read sheets and other intrarace tools for comparasions for a winner 5) Assess for trainer angles or horses for courses....less so "track bias" as happens less than is reported..

If a single horse fits 3 or more..then designate horse deserving favorite....if each catagory predicts a different winner respect the odds and spread out for P3's and 4's looking for a price.

But in the words of the late great Jimmy V.......It's all about survive and advance!!!

It aint rocket science but IMO you need a broad brush here as nothing is for every race on every day...
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:45 PM
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swing for the fences... lol.. i use all the above.. drf tgh video replays..like i said not sold on the 7 and think the 2 can be beat..6/2/1 in that leg is what i would use..
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:53 PM
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The only reason Jet Setting is 9/5 is Assmussen/Elliot connections, IMO
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:53 PM
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The only reason Jet Setting is 9/5 is Assmussen/Elliot connections, IMO

I unrespectfully disagree......completely.
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:17 PM
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I like her but not at 9/5, but i guess we'll see tomorrow
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