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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think people need to be very specific when they ask a question like the N Dame fan asked.I'll respond to it as a question(although he may meant it to be a statement.) With regard to the abortion question,there are 2 types of life.Most people find atleast one type to be precious.If you have 2 people of opposite sex,then you have potential life.There are sperm in him,and eggs in her.If they put sperm n' egg together,then what do they have? To me,this is another form of potential life.I would imagine you're Catholic,and have been taught that this package is "life." I don't believe it is life.Just as I don't believe (2 days after a person dies) a dead body is life.When the embryo becomes something that has a way to feel stimuli(pain etc.,) then it is actual life(to me.)That's precious to me.The package up to that point isn't (to me)alive yet.So,I am not for choosing to end life.I just will never agree with you that an embryo is actual life(until it can feel something,it is potential life.)So,I am for women having the right to end a pregnancy before this stage.If you look at this intellectually,then you will have an opinion when life is actual,and when it is "potential." If you let your religion decide it for you,then you don't have to think(you just react.)

maybe you misread me here, or in the past. i'm pro choice. what i meant is that no one is pro death, altho some pro lifers would argue that if one is pro choice, one must be pro death. that's the kind of thing people tend to want to cling to, titles. black or white, if you aren't this then you must be that.
as for my religion, i was raised catholic, but i don't consider myself to be one (altho some say once a catholic, always so) and i do not attend any church, and haven't in years.

[The Bid]

I agree with Brian Spencer on the abortion issue.

Rudy for me

[golfer]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I agree with Brian Spencer on the abortion issue.

Rudy for me

Bid, you may want to read this from the NY Times...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A962958260

The Mayor, a former United States Attorney in Manhattan, said New Yorkers were inclined to "see only the oppressive side of authority."

"What we don't see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be," he said at the forum, sponsored by The New York Post. "Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

maybe you misread me here, or in the past. i'm pro choice. what i meant is that no one is pro death, altho some pro lifers would argue that if one is pro choice, one must be pro death. that's the kind of thing people tend to want to cling to, titles. black or white, if you aren't this then you must be that.
as for my religion, i was raised catholic, but i don't consider myself to be one (altho some say once a catholic, always so) and i do not attend any church, and haven't in years.

No,I was responding to Notre Dame guy's question.Was just adding to your post,but would have been more clear to use his post.

[hi_im_god]

i love the internet.

all this smoke and heat off a single line by a guy who couldn't hit water if he fell off a boat.

i think just the fact that ndguy thinks it's the right position should give you pause somer.

when has he ever been right?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i love the internet.

all this smoke and heat off a single line by a guy who couldn't hit water if he fell off a boat.

i think just the fact that ndguy thinks it's the right position should give you pause somer.

when has he ever been right?

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

Since you are an "active" protester, where do you draw the line..Would you picket a Dr's house? Harass their family? Bomb a clinic? Say a silent prayer of thanks when one of Scheidler's nuts kills a nurse or Dr?

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Since you are an "active" protester, where do you draw the line..Would you picket a Dr's house? Harass their family? Bomb a clinic? Say a silent prayer of thanks when one of Scheidler's nuts kills a nurse or Dr?

I'm not a very violent person if that is what you are asking, and I would do none of those things that you said. None of the pro-life people that I have witnessed at the rallys are violent, or harrass anyone, we normally march around the town with signs and end up at the church where we say a few prayers and go on our way.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

I'm not a very violent person if that is what you are asking, and I would do none of those things that you said. None of the pro-life people that I have witnessed at the rallys are violent, or harrass anyone, we normally march around the town with signs and end up at the church where we say a few prayers and go on our way.

so you're just annoying and self satisfied.

good deal.

it's like wearing a t-shirt against genocide to you. i can scratch my head and wonder what you think you're accomplishing but at least you aren't doing too much harm.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

"say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school."

you were in favor of baby murder before 2005?

"I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys"

like you i hate those pro-death people.

"I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad."

my sympathy to your aunt.

"Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion."

i love the optimism of the young.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

"say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school."

you were in favor of baby murder before 2005?

"I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys"

like you i hate those pro-death people.

"I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad."

my sympathy to your aunt.

"Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion."

i love the optimism of the young.

I have been pro-life my entire life, but didn't start really getting into it til I was about 15, and I am now 21. Sympath for my aunt??? If they are my nieces and nephews that means they are either my brother or sisters kids, not my aunts.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

I can't watch that,but (to me)that's too late.I think rather than outlawing it,we need to put tighter restrictions on how late a woman can have one.
If it can respond to stimuli,then it's too late.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

This is about the closest thing to Godwin's Rule that exists on the internet.

As opposed to Godwin's Rule that states that the longer an internet discussion gets, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that somebody invokes Hitler, this is really the anti-choice Godwin's Rule.

The longer an internet discussion about abortion goes, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that some anti-choicer will post the Silent Scream as some sort of comeback....nevermind of course, that it's been discredited by serious physicians and doctors everywhere. Let's all just watch the video, trust a crazy nutjob right-winger about what he's saying without any regard to the medical reality and film manipulation present in the video, and call it a day.

It's one of the biggest pieces of trash propaganda videos out there. Zero merit. Zero legitimacy. Any legit, non-partisan doctor who has weighed in has stated that everything in this video that is presented to prove that this 11 week "human" is shying away from the abortion provider is little more than the kind of lie that zealots love.