Latest Future Odds for Derby 2008

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Legacy Thief, 125-1

It's impossible to really squabble with anyone taking a horse of talent at 125/1...

But I see Legacy Thief in the same exact mold as recent fellow Lukas runners Schrimshaw, Flying First Class, and Going Wild.

* Scrimschaw mopped up a super field including Ghostzapper on opening day at SA during the winter meet - he was a natural sprinter Lukas forced to route, could have been an elite sprinter - instead was ruined.

* Going Wild - people forget he had strong figures sprinting - was stretched out in the paceless Sham Stakes and went wire-to-wire over a pro speed, rail favoring track - while eventual Ky Derby winner Giacomo was hung five wide on both turns. Could have been an elite sprinter - instead was ruined.

* Flying First Class - facile 106 Beyer sprint win - big sprint pedigree - was instantly stretched out to two turns and beaten soundly while favored over Curlin. Instead of cutting back - Lukas kept pushing forward to try and make a Derby horse out of an elite sprint prospect. The closest thing he saw to a sprint was the Derby Trial - he was on a fast pace and won easily - and right back into the Preakness. Could have been an elite sprinter - instead was ruined.

* Legacy Theif - on the same card as Dahher's Cigar mile - he carves identical fractions to those turned in by Grade 1 older males - stays on for a wire-to-wire win. In a stroke of impossible genius - Lukas correctly cuts him back, and he wins - and does with identical fractions and final time to a Grade 3 stake for older male sprinters. I get the feeling come June he will be another who could have been an elite sprinter - instead was ruined.

[fpsoxfan]

$50 Court Vision
$50 Blackberry Road

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

* Flying First Class - facile 106 Beyer sprint win - big sprint pedigree - was instantly stretched out to two turns and beaten soundly while favored over Curlin.

Damn, where was I to get some of that money? What pools are you playing?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Damn, where was I to get some of that money? What pools are you playing?

Flying First Class was favored over Curlin in the Rebel - look it up.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Flying First Class was favored over Curlin in the Rebel - look it up.

Albarado stalked the leaders with Curlin in fourth early as Xchanger flew out of the gate to lead the field by himself through fractions of :23 2/5, :47 3/5 and 1:12 2/5. The 9-5 favorite Flying First Class, also coming off a flashy maiden win, was a bit rank early but stayed close to the leader and took over on the final turn for Edgar Prado. But Flying First Class had nothing left for the stretch run. Curlin broke with the second flight of horses, settled behind the leaders, and swept up to the them while four wide and getting out on the final turn. Curlin got the lead at the top of the stretch and kicked clear while under strong handling as he drew off late.

He paid $6.40, $4, and $3.40


http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38046

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Flying First Class was favored over Curlin in the Rebel - look it up.

You're right. It was the middle of the night. As I was walking this morning it came to me that they met in the Rebel as well as the Arkansas Derby. The fact that I took Curlin at 5:2 that day only further goes to show how brain dead I am. Then again, I'm a SMALL bettor.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Nothing on that board looks interesting to me right now.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Nothing on that board looks interesting to me right now.

alot of the horse on the board can't get 7 furlongs, much less 10.

[Hoist Her Flag]

The Futures are great, anything 100-1 or more is worth a shot. Still some horses with talent and pedigrees at 100-1.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

alot of the horse on the board can't get 7 furlongs, much less 10.

I know - if I thought Noble Lad could get atleast a mile - I'd stab at the 200/1 with him.

200/1 is just not quite tempting enough - at least when you're dealing with a still unraced 3yo maiden, who missed his most recent work, and has a highly speed oriented pedigree.

There's really nothing out there that has me interested right now.

[NTamm1215]

I'd put $50 on Cowboy Cal at 75-1 and $50 on Unbridled Vicar at 250-1

NT

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'd put $50 on Cowboy Cal at 75-1 and $50 on Unbridled Vicar at 250-1

NT

Same 2 that caught my eye. I just have a hard time seeing Greg Geier winning the derby.

[jwkniska]

I put $5 on Coal Play at 175-1 last Saturday..... just hope derby day comes up fast, as he sure didn't like the slop at GP and should be better at the longer distance.

Had to throw $5 on something and wouldn't even consider anything lower than 100-1 on them. The lower odds horses that were running as 2YO's in stakes will end up getting injured, as they've run to much too early.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'd put $50 on Cowboy Cal at 75-1 and $50 on Unbridled Vicar at 250-1

NT

Interesting thought. I've liked that a horse a bit since the Arlington meet. If Mad Flatter runs well enough in the Lecomte, it would make that guy a whole lot more attractive.

I love the price, but would still love to see him run a "fast" race. He seems to be on the improve, no doubt, but he has yet to run a race that indicates that he's in the same league as any of the division leaders, and I feel like he's had a few good chances to do so.

With THAT said, I suppose that's why you get 250-1 on him...and I liked his last race an awful lot.

Now that you've got me thinking about it, maybe I'll put some money on that when I'm in Vegas in a few weeks.

[Round Pen]

Best horse you have never heard of Miner's Claim (150-1). But soon you all will know him.

[IrishofNDMan]

Court Vision is my Derby horse this year and I'm sticking to it.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

$20 win -

Etched / Golden Spikes / Macho Again / Monba / The Roundhouse



*3,000*

[Cannon Shell]

I'd take $20 on Indian Blessing at 10000000-1