It happened again! (End tote malfunction)

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seriously, is there any subject Cannon doesn't know more about than anyone else here?

I'm sure I've worn out my welcome here. Oh well. I'll "get over it".

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I hope I don't get the opportunity to past post because then if I lost I'd feel really dumb.

NT

Even when I find winners, I find a way to **** them up so I am a lost cause

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

I agree with you 100%, at the most, there should be a 5 second delay from bet to tote, there are plenty of pipes out there for the information to get to.

I almost think this is more about late odd changes then past posting, and late odd changes drive EVERYONE nuts.

But honestly, when can the bettor do? Stop betting? maybe, but nothing will change until someone involved in the industry gets f'd out of a bunch of money that they just bet. Way of the world, react when too late

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

Also, this is a questionable excuse, given that they HACKED into the system to bet that pick six

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

Also, this is a questionable excuse, given that they HACKED into the system to bet that pick six

Huh? What does that even mean? I think most people would think if past posting is being done, it is being done via hacking.

Don't you find the fact that they have no idea how much was bet off track after the bell a little scary?

[Payson Dave]

Not to change the subject but...how about that 8th race at turfway....there is one in there that I 've been waitin for

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Huh? What does that even mean? I think most people would think if past posting is being done, it is being done via hacking.

Don't you find the fact that they have no idea how much was bet off track after the bell a little scary?

I thought you were talking about the P6 scandal at Arlington

Yes, in this day in age of tracking and software, it should be instant. But given that there is no governing body of horse racing, nothing will change until someone gets screwed over

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

I thought you were talking about the P6 scandal at Arlington

Yes, in this day in age of tracking and software, it should be instant. But given that there is no governing body of horse racing, nothing will change until someone gets screwed over

Yep, the whole business is a mess, no doubt.

Are you a Saluki grad? My wife, the much smarter half of our union, is a graduate.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yep, the whole business is a mess, no doubt.

Are you a Saluki grad? My wife, the much smarter half of our union, is a graduate.

Yes I am, my degree is toilet paper though (Marketing). When did she go down there?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the race odds changing at the1/4 pole is normal as the late betting gets put in the pool after its started ..its not a regular practice.. but this post betting is a rareity.. im more worried about jockys who dont ride all the way......

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

... but this post betting is a rareity.....

How do you know?

I've got waffles to make, beer to brew, and have to coach a few female tennis players in the morning, so I'm off to bed.

[SentToStud]

I think past posting goes on. I think it all happens very soon after the start of the race and gets put through in the "flood" of wagers that "hit the system" all at once. No doubt in my mind it happens.

Reminds me of the old days at Maywood when the bell didn't go off until the horses had almost hit the first turn. The $50 window tellers were working solely for a few people with 1mtp or less. The bettor would call the horse that got off the gate the best and the teller would punch as many $50 win tickets as possible.

The biggest fixes were when the horse that left the gate quickest and got the lead broke stride in the first turn.

Flukey Stokes, Buddy Bear, Willy The Wimp. Those boys ruled the clubhouse.

[Payson Dave]

....I can take a hint....I'll discuss the 8th at Turfway elsewhere...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I think past posting goes on. I think it all happens very soon after the start of the race and gets put through in the "flood" of wagers that "hit the system" all at once. No doubt in my mind it happens.

Reminds me of the old days at Maywood when the bell didn't go off until the horses had almost hit the first turn. The $50 window tellers were working solely for a few people with 1mtp or less. The bettor would call the horse that got off the gate the best and the teller would punch as many $50 win tickets as possible.

The biggest fixes were when the horse that left the gate quickest and got the lead broke stride in the first turn.

Flukey Stokes, Buddy Bear, Willy The Wimp. Those boys ruled the clubhouse.

I'm sure that in the old days past posting happened with a far more frequent degree than it does now.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, and you weren't once able to bet the P6 after 4 races were run either I would imagine.

I don't know if it is rampant. Phil provided some statistical data I've seen other places as well that are certainly worth investigating. The problem is, the tracks have no incentive to investigate. It would probably be very bad if they did and found out past posting was going on.

It doesn't change that there shouldn't be any chance for this to happen. There is more than enough technology available to prevent this from EVER happening. Why is this mechanical in the first place? That is ridiculous.

That is the real problem here. What do the tracks have to gain by spending money investigating it? They are only going to do it if they feel enough pressure to do so.

[packerbacker7964]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dude, it is the internet, half the stuff that is said on here is said with a grain of salt and probably tongue and cheek.

Here is what I know. I do alot of betting, and I bet alot of tracks, I have been doing it since I have been 14 years old (14 years). I haven't ONCE been able to past post. I would love the opportunity to be able to do though, I am great at picking the winner on the turn.

How many times have you tried to bet past post time?

[fpsoxfan]

Just called in on Trackfacts live and asked the question as to how to remedy this situation. One suggestion Tom Amello had was to refund the race. Sounds good, but is it realistic? How long after this happens do the stewards realize this "glitch" occured? Is it well after the race has been paid?

[blackthroatedwind]

That doesn't sound like one of Tom's more well thought out answers.