CushionTrack: "We'll fix or replace SA surface"

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

About time the manufacturer showed up publically.

I agree. At least someone has shown some responsibility and at least appears to be willing to do whatever it takes to fix the problem...

[SentToStud]

Sounds like Ron Popeil selling the Showtime Rotisserie Grill.

[JJP]

I must've missed when the conventional Santa Anita surface had so many problems that they (the CHRB) felt compelled to mandate this horse$hit.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by JJP

I must've missed when the conventional Santa Anita surface had so many problems that they (the CHRB) felt compelled to mandate this horse$hit.

You and me both. The rest of the world too. I'm actually happy that this is happening. Serves them right.

[Honu]

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Honu

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. they'll be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

I've only played the Malibu so far at Santa Anita. Some of it has to do with a holiday break , but much of it is that I am not too interested in what I saw.
I'm sure I will get back into it. Hard to stay out of Cali in the winter.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

But tell me how is cracking 22 , 44 and 108 and change any diffirent from the old track..... speed still holds , horses still runs fast times , I just dont see the diffirence.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

Yeah I'm hoping the NCAA and NFL wise up and go to tag instead of contact because players get hurt and some actually die from playing football.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

It's a bad attitude to put yourself ahead of the horseplayers if you work on the backstretch.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a bad attitude to put yourself ahead of the horseplayers if you work on the backstretch.

I have a bad attitude? Whatever........the horseman are who are suffering thru this demise , the track still plays fast , a handicapper can still use speed in his fugures . I work for a trainer , not a gambler , my concern is with preparing the horses for the races so people can come and do what they do.
The owners that employ my boss are very wealthy and even when they dont win races for long stretches at a time they still have plenty of money to spend , you think B. Wayne Hughes needs purse money to stay in the game ? think again , he doesnt. I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport , but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it .

[goingtothewhip]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Sounds like Ron Popeil selling the Showtime Rotisserie Grill.

Are you implying that Cushion Track can also keep two vegetables "piping hot"?

If so, me and Chef Tony have some "perfection sheers" to sell you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

I agree. At least someone has shown some responsibility and at least appears to be willing to do whatever it takes to fix the problem...

but part of the problem is the attempt to come up with a solution to 110 degree heat-which of course they can't control.

[Danzig]

isn't it the track owner who is getting the short end of the stick? or the bettors? chrb mandated a change, but the owner pays for the new surface. bettors are told to get over the change--too bad if your system worked, just make a new one.
trainers still get their day rate, their help still gets paid. owners still have their horses and their money....how are horsemen getting the short end? santa anita offered to pay to ship horses to hollywood to work, since they couldn't work on the main at santa anita--did anyone pay to send the gamblers to another track for free? doubt it.