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[SentToStud]

I remember Moss's last playoff game agaisnt Philly (the game after he mooned the GB crowd) when Culpepper threw for a ton and Moss caught three for 50 yards with a bunch of drops.

Welker is far more valuable than Moss.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember Moss's last playoff game agaisnt Philly (the game after he mooned the GB crowd)

Yes - he was playing with a bad hammy - Philly had three of their four starters in the secondary selected to the Pro Bowl that year - and Johnson (who has always called great games against Moss) had his gameplan focused around Moss.

That is truly an all-time dumb example. The week before, Moss was hobbling around the field the entire game- and still caught two big TD passes in a road playoff win over Green Bay at Lambeau.

As for Welker being more valuable - prior to this year - he had a grand total of ONE career NFL touchdown catch...and the Dolphins didn't let him go because it would have taken a lot of money to sign him ... and certainly not because he was a precieved cancer.

Welker has been "covered" by #3 corners, or safeties, or linebackers for much of the year. He's doing a great job of exploiting those mismatches - but he's no superstar.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Welker is far more valuable than Moss.

At what? Reading and writing?

He is more valuable at being short as well.
Which I also excel at.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

At what? Reading and writing?

Knock his intellect all you want - but keep in mind - he went to a very dumpy high school in the chemical valley region of West Virginia.

He's uncommonly smart for a person from that area.

As an example, his highschool basketball teammate at DuPont was none other than "white chocolate" Jason Williams. There's a real genius for ya!

Here's a clip of them playing B-Ball together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJruS...eature=related

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Moss was the star of that high school basketball team. He was a two time West Virgina state basketball player of the year, while on the same team as a future NBA rookie of the year runner-up. He also won the McDonalds slam dunk competion.

Further, according to stuff I've read and heard, there were multiple MLB scouts who had said that they fealt Moss was the best teenage centerfielder they had ever seen. Some thought baseball would be his best sport.

Not that being an elite prospect at football, baseball, and basketball was enough - he was also a brilliantly fast record setting sprinter.

It had to be Lou Holtz's sickest day as a college coach when Notre Dame revoked his scholarship offer after an infamous high school fight he got in. Notre Dame would have been a machine with him.

He only caught 54 TD's in just two college seasons at Marshall.

* His team was 13-0 his freshman season, and his 28 TD receptions tied Jerry Rice's 1-AA record for TD's in a season. He had 9 catches for 220 yards and 4 TD's in that years D-1AA national title game.

* His sophomore year, Marshall made the jump to D-1, his team went 11-3 and he was a Heisman finalist inspite of almost never playing on TV. He caught 3 TD's in a MAC championship win - and had 173 recieving yards against Tommy Tubberville's Ole Miss team in the Motor City Bowl.

He also averaged 34.6 yards per kick return - and as of last year - the award for the nations best kick returner is named the Randy Moss award.

It is beyond remarkable how the most can't miss athlete in sports history wasn't drafted until the 21st pick!

I should probably stop - as everyone finds my man crush on Moss beyond sickening.

[docicu3]

Drugs when Randy left Marshall was he not thought of as "most likely to spend the offseason in a correctional facility".

The reason he fell to the 21'st pick was that Randy's graduation was from the well known "Lawerence Phillips Charm School" that year....he scared the hell out of GM's who considered him higher....

Having said that the Pats have titrated his medication flawlessly all season without incident. 20 mgs of BB's mystery potion each night before bed and you have a quiet productive all pro who has learned to be accepting of structure and purpose. Randy seems to actually care about winning a Super Bowl the one thing you can't buy with "straight cash homie".

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Further, according to stuff I've read and heard, there were multiple MLB scouts who had said that they fealt Moss was the best teenage centerfielder they had ever seen. Some thought baseball would be his best sport.

You do realize how many "can't miss" baseball prospects don't pan out, right? Drew Henson managed to fail as a can't miss baseball and football prospect. Very impressive.

Not bashing Moss but what some MLB scouts have to say is like using something PG1985 said to support an argument.

[JJP]

I remember that 1998 draft. There were THOUGHT to be 4 can't misses: Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, Peter Bouleware and Moss. OK, we know now the "experts were 100% wrong on Leaf. But Moss was thought to be top 4. As a Bears fan, who drafted 4th, I thought we had a shot at getting Moss. Instead we took Penn St RB Curtis Enis, who is now pumping gas in Libertyville. 9 years later, Moss is putting up 20 plus TDs. I don't know if the Bears organization would've been able to handle Moss early in his career. Maybe Minny was the right spot for him. But when you see high picks spent on the likes of Enis, Rashan Salaam and Cade McNown, it makes one angry knowing they passed on Moss.