Mitchell Report Guessing Game

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This may a big story for the media but they really didn't reveal anything that hadn't already been rumored already. Most of the players named are retired or not any good. There have been plenty of rumors surrounding Clemens already. It is hard to believe that this cost $60 million to produce.

Yes but it will clean up baseball.
How the crud else was this going to happen?
The player's union, the players, the owners, the trainers... hell freezes when they come clean.

bunch of friggin cheaters...

but...what about the purity of the game?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

but...what about the purity of the game?

3 strikes, 4 balls, 27 outs. It's still pure....that won't change!! In keeping with the spirit if I were Bud Selig here is what I would do. Legalize everything and go with 350 pound DHs with aluminum bats..or super ball corked wooden bats...doesn't matter. And allow the pitchers to take tool chests out to the mound as well...vaseline/emory boards/syringes etc. Go to kick ball rules where you can get a guy out on the basepaths by hitting them with a thrown ball. This would induce full body armor uniforms which would enhance marketing for the clubs as everyone gets new uniforms. Go to 2 DH lineups so you have 10 total in the batting order. More offense. Make Manny cut his hair and force the Yankees to allow Damon to play in his Captain Caveman gear. clemens wins his 8th, 9th , and 10th cy youngs with full public moonings on the mound juicing himself and Bonds aproaches 950 home runs as he is already used to the full body armor uniforms. McGwire finally speaks and states how unfair it is Bonds and others get to play under these rules. Canseco fails to latch onto any team.

Then after 5 years you will then have your HGH testing policy in place after the developmental HGH MLB testing team develops their fool proof system to catch all cheaters. And all will be cleansed and we go back to only 1 DH.

After that all the games problems will be solved.

[Cannon Shell]

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

The NFL is perfect. Just ask Bobby Petrino.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

The NFL is perfect. Just ask Bobby Petrino.

i love this defense of a completely broken down dysfunctional sport.

how many players has baseball suspended for steroid use?

i'll take the nfl -10 for whatever you want to bet.

the nfl put in enforcement mechanisms decades ago.

is the league drug free? no. did they at least acknowlege they had a problem and try to deal with it before it was so bad they had to throw their hands in the air and ask for help?

the problem with baseball is the fans. you specifically.

you lament the one good thing this sport has done. you're an enabler.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i love this defense of a completely broken down dysfunctional sport.

how many players has baseball suspended for steroid use?

i'll take the nfl -10 for whatever you want to bet.

the nfl put in enforcement mechanisms decades ago.

is the league drug free? no. did they at least acknowlege they had a problem and try to deal with it before it was so bad they had to throw their hands in the air and ask for help?

the problem with baseball is the fans. you specifically.

you lament the one good thing this sport has done. you're an enabler.

How am I an enabler?? I have nothing to do with MLB policy and never have. I root for the cleveland indians to win...that is my involvement with the sport. My guess is more NFL players have had much more post career problems due to steroid use than MLB players. I have no proof to back that up...but look at the massive issue that MIke Ditka is brigning to the forefront with the disabilities of ex NFL players. I honestly think a big part of that is drug abuse (steroids or whatever else) by them masking pain and making them play with it. Lack of care of concussions etc. Rampant steroid use began in the NFL...WAY, WAY before MLB. So of course their time table was different. OF course they'd have a testing mechanism before baseball. Lyle Alzado was great entertainment back in the day just as Sammy Sosa/Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire were.

I make light of it...but MLB does have a policy in place now. I simply don't see the point in going 10-20 years past and digging up only selected names who used. The NFL never did that to my knowledge.

We are all enablers who ever watch a game I guess. So yeah I enable. Sue me. But don't ever tell me that MLB is any more dysfunctional than the NFL. If you honestly think these average 315-325 lb lineman and 255 lb linebackers with 4.5 speed and 230 lb safeties come by everything 100 percent naturally with only good hard work be my guest.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

Nobody in the NFL is on Steroids or HGH and most certainly nobody in the NBA smokes weed.

[Mortimer]

I wonder if they'll eventually get the the corporate worlds c-level guys?














Nah.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is it not ironic that the NFL which surely has the same issues with HGH seems to get a free pass?

The NFL did not personally ask George Mitchell to come in like Selig did. And the NFL has already indicted a number of players for using and selling HGH... Im sure its not perfect. But the NFL turned guys in after testing positive as far back as 1993. So I think the NFL, while not perfect, was at least ahead of the wave.

BTW.
Every High School athlete in Texas is subject to random testing at any time starting next year. Their parents will be notified that they will be tested if chosen, and will have 2 hrs to make it to the school if they choose to be with their child while they are giving samples. They expect to hit about 5% of the athletes. Not enough. But certainly something to think about. They will also target kids who have gained a lot of muscle mass in a short period of time. Strength coaches etc... are required to keep track of the kids. If a coach is known to have any idea that a kid may be involved in the use or selling of a specific group of hormones and they do not report the alleged violation, termination is possible if the player tests positive. Coaches are asked to actively insure the safety of the athletes and seek out suspected problems.
Kind of like we (teachers) already have to do if we have evidence that a kid might be subject to abuse at home.

Also.
I think Selig, by asking Mitchell to help with this, is leaving wiggling room for the Fed. government to intervene. Mitchell is no longer a senator. But he is certainly a respected arbitrator and investigator. I think the problem is too big for MLB because it has gone on too long and their are too many entities to deal with.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The NFL did not personally ask George Mitchell to come in like Selig did. And the NFL has already indicted a number of players for using and selling HGH... Im sure its not perfect. But the NFL turned guys in after testing positive as far back as 1993. So I think the NFL, while not perfect, was at least ahead of the wave.

BTW.
Every High School athlete in Texas is subject to random testing at any time starting next year. Their parents will be notified that they will be tested if chosen, and will have 2 hrs to make it to the school if they choose to be with their child while they are giving samples. They expect to hit about 5% of the athletes. Not enough. But certainly something to think about. They will also target kids who have gained a lot of muscle mass in a short period of time. Strength coaches etc... are required to keep track of the kids. If a coach is known to have any idea that a kid may be involved in the use or selling of a specific group of hormones and they do not report the alleged violation, termination is possible if the player tests positive. Coaches are asked to actively insure the safety of the athletes and seek out suspected problems.
Kind of like we (teachers) already have to do if we have evidence that a kid might be subject to abuse at home.

Yeah the NFL was able to fool everybody into thinking that they were doing something. I would be surprised if 95% of the NFL wasn't taking HGH or something close to it