Day that Shall Live in Infamy

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i bet you could also find people who think the lusitania was given up to get us into world war 1. of course the truth there is that the sinking didn't get us in to the war to end all wars. we didn't enter world war one until almost a year after the lusitania tragedy, when it was found that germany was trying to get mexico to invade the u.s. after our defeat by our neighbors to the south, they would reclaim texas, new mexico, etc.

i have a tremendously hard time believing that fdr would sacrifice so much to get us into the war, a war which many already wanted us in. also, keep in mind that we were no superpower. yes, we had some ships lost, but the fleet then in no way compares to now. actually most ships were salvaged and put back into action fairly quickly; the attack wasn't quite as devestating as initially thought. of course the loss of life was significant. and we hadn't had an attack on our own soil since the civil war. but for anyone to suggest that the commander in chief, for whatever reason, would sacrifice his own troops to get us in battle is ludicrous in the least.

Danzig,
In no way do I wish to discuss the US entering WWI. Let's stay with WWII.
Many have questioned the circumstances of Dec 7, 1941. Of interest to me is that the carriers and their escorts (swift ships) left port and left-over junk from WWI remained at anchor in Pearl Harbor. It is also interesting that in the Phillipines, McArthur kept his planes grounded where they were subsequently destroyed by Japanese bombers.
FDR faced opposition to US involvement in the war in Europe. As Germany and Japan were allies (Axis), the attack by Japan created public outrage, and the declaration of war provided the entry to US participation in Europe.
In my opinion, there is absolutely nothing "ludicrous" in questioning the decisions of American leaders. In fact, doing so is called "free speech".
DTS

[Danzig]

i read your reply dts, and feel no need to bang my head against this wall. have at it.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i read your reply dts, and feel no need to bang my head against this wall. have at it.

Danzig,
One of my friends here at Derby Trail provided me with this link:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pe...315/pearl.html

I'm not asking you to "bang your head against this wall", however, in my humble view, it is much better to be informed than to remain in ignorance.
DTS

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/id/94663


having an opposing view in no way indicates ignorance, dts. i am very well read on ww 2, as well as the rest of american history. i have to say that when i read the line in the article above regarding oswald, i thought of you.

i also find it interesting (and this is the wall and my head part i was talking about) is that you are so set on our govt, by and for our people, being so evil and corrupt. no doubt your bias influences what articles you believe, or don't.
i tend to make up my mind on a case by case basis, without allowing any preconceived notions to influence what i think about any certain matters.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/id/94663


having an opposing view in no way indicates ignorance, dts. i am very well read on ww 2, as well as the rest of american history. i have to say that when i read the line in the article above regarding oswald, i thought of you.

i also find it interesting (and this is the wall and my head part i was talking about) is that you are so set on our govt, by and for our people, being so evil and corrupt. no doubt your bias influences what articles you believe, or don't.
i tend to make up my mind on a case by case basis, without allowing any preconceived notions to influence what i think about any certain matters.

Danzig,
In no way did I intend to insult you as being ignorant for having an opposing view. If you took it that way, my apology.
If you believe that the government we currently have is "by the people and for the people", then we remain in total disagreement.
Our current regime is indeed corrupt and quite evil.