Whale's past post sets off alarm

[hi_im_god]

i think layering on the idea that a system is vulnerable to insider manipulation to a sport that already requires complicated puzzle solving skills is a problem.

whether that's real or just an inaccurate perception doesn't matter. no one wants to think they may get cheated.

you're too close to the issue cannon. it doesn't matter if it's real. the perception that the industry shrugs it shoulder's and says "no big deal" will effect handle a lot more in the long term than eliminating the bad perception late odd shifts and the occasional accident like this cause.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think layering on the idea that a system is vulnerable to insider manipulation to a sport that already requires complicated puzzle solving skills is a problem.

whether that's real or just an inaccurate perception doesn't matter. no one wants to think they may get cheated.

you're too close to the issue cannon. it doesn't matter if it's real. the perception that the industry shrugs it shoulder's and says "no big deal" will effect handle a lot more in the long term than eliminating the bad perception late odd shifts and the occasional accident like this cause.

If what you say is true, can you say with any degree of certainty or with verifiable evidence that the Breeders Cup scandal which is much worse than this has negatively effected handle in any manner? I agree that the security of the pools is a huge issue but this example seems to be an isolated case. If not why hasn't it been brought up pubically before? Or has it?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If what you say is true, can you say with any degree of certainty or with verifiable evidence that the Breeders Cup scandal which is much worse than this has negatively effected handle in any manner? I agree that the security of the pools is a huge issue but this example seems to be an isolated case. If not why hasn't it been brought up pubically before? Or has it?

Game set match goes to the blogger from Ky.....

BC scandal probably actually drove handle up!!!!

Any publicity is good publicity!!

This in the words of Mr "Shakes"......"Is much ado about nothing"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Odds on winners go down way too much for it to be a coincidence.You really don't have an excuse for not getting a bet at home made.I would be fine with shutting pools down for everyone except those at the actual track the race is taking place.Let them have that perk(for going to the actual track.)

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If what you say is true, can you say with any degree of certainty or with verifiable evidence that the Breeders Cup scandal which is much worse than this has negatively effected handle in any manner? I agree that the security of the pools is a huge issue but this example seems to be an isolated case. If not why hasn't it been brought up pubically before? Or has it?

i can say that most people are satisfied the problem that lead to the pick 6 scandal was addressed and confident it can't be repeated.

they changed course after that. which makes all the difference.

what would have happened to handle in the pick 6 if everyone knew something strange had happened and the reaction had been "don't worry. that was an isolated incident and we don't need to do anything about it."

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i can say that most people are satisfied the problem that lead to the pick 6 scandal was addressed and confident it can't be repeated.

they changed course after that. which makes all the difference.

what would have happened to handle in the pick 6 if everyone knew something strange had happened and the reaction had been "don't worry. that was an isolated incident and we don't need to do anything about it."

Big difference between the the BC scandal and this. Wagering security is important, that I understand. But I am at a racetrack every day and I talk to people in different jurisdictions daily and I cant remember the last time I heard about betting after the race went off. What would concern me more is a hacker getting into the system without anyone knowing. If you want to say that this instance was an example of a faulty system then I can agree with you. But if this had happened to this guy before why didn't he give other examples? Or did he and they weren't reported?

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Big difference between the the BC scandal and this. Wagering security is important, that I understand. But I am at a racetrack every day and I talk to people in different jurisdictions daily and I cant remember the last time I heard about betting after the race went off. What would concern me more is a hacker getting into the system without anyone knowing. If you want to say that this instance was an example of a faulty system then I can agree with you. But if this had happened to this guy before why didn't he give other examples? Or did he and they weren't reported?

-from the article Maloney was hanging out by the teller , the race started and the machine didn't beep to indicate wagering was closed.

Sounds like he was at least aware of what to look for.

Fair Grounds states that their stop-wagering mechanism "malfunctioned". For that race only. - So if the problem was centralized in FG and not in KEE = than Maloney may not have been the only past-post money. And any persuasive player matched with a crooked/gullible teller could have bet late or cancelled late for this race.

Also it wouldn't be incredibly far fetched, to raise some possibilities that the FG stop-wagering mechanism was at previous times a bit tardy...

[hi_im_god]

quotes from the bc scandal:

"Brooks Pierce, president of Autotote, which processes 65 percent of all horse racing wagers in North America, confirmed that the Maryland man won more than $3 million on his $1,152 bet. He also said that his company's records show the man made two bets at 2:13 p.m. and 2:14 p.m. on Saturday, well before pool was closed at 2:37 p.m.

Pierce said the bettor made a pick-six wager on a $2 ticket that did not win using a similar strategy -- he bet the entire field in the first two legs and then picked one horse in the remaining four. He said he had not yet been asked for the data by state investigators, but he intended to provide it.

''We've done the autopsy and do not have any question about the veracity of the bets,'' Pierce said. ''I can understand how a skeptic can look at a pool of this size and only one winner -- especially with those four singles -- and have concerns.

''But I also would like to think we have a pretty good story about a guy who didn't bet much and made a lot of money. I believe that is good for racing as well.'' "

and

"Donald Groth, president of Catskill OTB, also believes that the bettor had a career day betting. He said phone bets are recorded and monitored.

''Everything we have points to the legitimacy of this bet,'' Groth said. ''If some technological event happened as it left here, I don't know what it would be. I hope that the investigation is concluded swiftly, so our customer can go out and buy a Mercedes or two. Isn't that what you would do?'' "


fortunatly those attitudes weren't allowed to prevail.