Milliage to the Nats?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think Church may be a better "real" baseball player than fantasy player

Maybe but I have a feeling in three years Milledge is going to be the guy that every fantasy baseball manager wants. I sure hope it isn't the case. I'm just completely F-in confused in this case. I want to at least hear Omar say that Schneidier can call a game while blindfolded and getting oral sex better than Estrada and Castro combined and then I'll feel better about it. Until then I'm convinced this is Kazmir for Zambrano all over again.

[MaTH716]

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

Gomez might not be as major league ready as Milledge but I think he is much bigger bargaining chip than Milledge was at this point. If the Mets are going to get a top line starter it will be Gomez and one of their young pitchers that go. I almost want them to just wait on the pitcher until the trade deadline. Maine and Oliver Perez pitched good enough last year to be a #2 and #3 starter. If Pedro stays healthy that isn't a bad top three for the pitching staff. They would then need two of El Duque, Pelfrey, Humber, and Sosa to step into teh bottom two spots. If during the season Pedro goes down and two of those guys haven't stepped up then make the trade for a starter. A team not in contention is going to be more willing to make a trade of a free agent to be at that point anyways.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Haren can be moved from Oakland?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Haren can be moved from Oakland?

So they say but Billy Beane will want alot.

[trifecta124]

I heard Minaya's interview on WFAN yesterday afternoon. He stated that both the A's and the Orioles had no interest in trading for Milledge. His value decreased after his sub par performance in the field. His attitude certainly didn't help either.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I am not a Mets fan and I think it is a terrible deal. All the talk around NY is that the Mets need a frontline pitcher. So they go out and trade one of thier biggest chips for another outfielder and a above average catcher. I thought given the chance (which he really never had) that Milliage had the chance to be a very special player with the Mets. Now that he will be out of the spotlight and playing everyday I think he will be an All-Star in the next couple of years. If the Mets wanted Schineder that bad then maybe they could have traded Carlos Gomez and a another minor leaguer and still ended up with him. I just think that they could have gotten a hell of a lot more than the 2 that they did.

What makes you think he will be an allstar? This guy aint Barry Bonds revisited. He strikes out alot, doesnt get on base much, has no baserunning skills, is an average fielder, has average power and seems to not exactly be fitting in with the team. If he was a 5th round draft choice and this trade was made no one would have noticed. His hype has not translated to production yet. They aren't trading a future Albert Pujols

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What makes you think he will be an allstar? This guy aint Barry Bonds revisited. He strikes out alot, doesnt get on base much, has no baserunning skills, is an average fielder, has average power and seems to not exactly be fitting in with the team. If he was a 5th round draft choice and this trade was made no one would have noticed. His hype has not translated to production yet. They aren't trading a future Albert Pujols

He is only 22, granted he has alot of growing up to do. But next year he will be playing with a team that is more his age and with not the expectations that the Mets as a team will have and all of New York City has for Milledge himself . He played less than 60 games last year and I think he showed signs of being special. Granted his numbers aren't great but he only had 184 at bats last year, and the majority of them were in the 8 spot. Granted there is not a ton of protection in the Nats order, but you have to think that Manny Acta will have him out there every day. I don't think that they traded the next Pujols, but they should of got guys that are better than a catcher that has a lifetime .252 BA and an outfielder that is a question mark too, but 6 years older. Let's see what he does when he plays 140 games.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He is only 22, granted he has alot of growing up to do. But next year he will be playing with a team that is more his age and with not the expectations that the Mets as a team will have and all of New York City has for Milledge himself . He played less than 60 games last year and I think he showed signs of being special. Granted his numbers aren't great but he only had 184 at bats last year, and the majority of them were in the 8 spot. Granted there is not a ton of protection in the Nats order, but you have to think that Manny Acta will have him out there every day. I don't think that they traded the next Pujols, but they should of got guys that are better than a catcher that has a lifetime .252 BA and an outfielder that is a question mark too, but 6 years older. Let's see what he does when he plays 140 games.

For a guy who batted in the 8 hole he only walked 12 times. Bad sign. Meaning he has no plate disipline or the pitchers thought he was someone who they could get out. Protection is only an issue with good hitters, no one is pitching around this guy right now. Catchers are not measured with batting average and Church had a pretty good year in a dreadful hitting park. You can bring this post back and rub it in my face next year but I can see him being a Carl Everett type who never lives up to his potential. Next year .264 .318 .422 16 Hrs 74 RBi's.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

For a guy who batted in the 8 hole he only walked 12 times. Bad sign. Meaning he has no plate disipline or the pitchers thought he was someone who they could get out. Protection is only an issue with good hitters, no one is pitching around this guy right now. Catchers are not measured with batting average and Church had a pretty good year in a dreadful hitting park. You can bring this post back and rub it in my face next year but I can see him being a Carl Everett type who never lives up to his potential. Next year .264 .318 .422 16 Hrs 74 RBi's.

I do not think that Rome will be built in a day with this guy. It might not be next year or even the year after, but I think the light will eventually go on. Hell he is still just a kid.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I do not think that Rome will be built in a day with this guy. It might not be next year or even the year after, but I think the light will eventually go on. Hell he is still just a kid.

And I dont think the Mets can wait 2 or more years with a team that relies heavily on guys like Pedro, Alou, Delgado, Castillo,Wagner. They need to win now and I believe that Omar thinks these 2 guys give him a better chance. As a lefty, Church is a better fit for the team as it is currently constructed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Maybe but I have a feeling in three years Milledge is going to be the guy that every fantasy baseball manager wants. I sure hope it isn't the case. I'm just completely F-in confused in this case. I want to at least hear Omar say that Schneidier can call a game while blindfolded and getting oral sex better than Estrada and Castro combined and then I'll feel better about it. Until then I'm convinced this is Kazmir for Zambrano all over again.

Based upon hype this may come true but based upon performance I doubt it. Kazmir is a much better pitcher than Milledge is player. And if Minaya let it be known that Milledge was available and the rest of baseball thought him a special players, dont you think that they would have been all over this deal? You guys think Milledge is good because you heard the same reports that everybody did. But in real live play he is either not ready, cant handle the NY scene or is just not that great. The Mets have a better chance of winning now with Church.